fto as official event poll

[Chris Choi]

Do they mean official or unofficial?

Fto can only be held unofficially at the moment. It's not an event yet. Or am I misunderstanding what u mean

 

[SilkCubingYT]

Do you mean 6x6 and 7x7?
I think 7x7 and 5bld, at least, then maybe 4 bld, then 6x6.

Tiered system?

If we remove an event the best option is probably 6x6 or 7x7, 4bld and 5bld alot of people have dedicated alot of their time into + it's a really cool event and it's not for everyone which makes it unique, but in any case I don't think an event should be removed because the current list is very good! I would love to see FTO make a way into the wca

 

[Filipe Teixeira]

If we remove an event the best option is probably 6x6 or 7x7, 4bld and 5bld alot of people have dedicated alot of their time into + it's a really cool event and it's not for everyone which makes it unique, but in any case I don't think an event should be removed because the current list is very good! I would love to see FTO make a way into the wca

Let's remove clock, fmc, 2x2, skewb and pyra
Nobody relevant cares about those events

*Runs away*

 

[bldcuber314]

Let's remove clock, fmc, 2x2, skewb and pyra
Nobody relevant cares about those events

*Runs away*

*Runs after shouting "Give back 2x2"*

 

[Gecko777]

If we remove an event the best option is probably 6x6 or 7x7, 4bld and 5bld alot of people have dedicated alot of their time into + it's a really cool event and it's not for everyone which makes it unique, but in any case I don't think an event should be removed because the current list is very good! I would love to see FTO make a way into the wca

6x6 and 4bld should stay

 

[bldcuber314]

Why did the poll close?

 

[GloopyGum]

It's hilarious how the only people who advocate for the removal of big blind are people who have never done big blind

 

[bldcuber314]

It's hilarious how the only people who advocate for the removal of big blind are people who have never done big blind

Which to be fair is a lot of people(who have never done big blind)

 

[Curunír]

It's hilarious how the only people who advocate for the removal of big blind are people who have never done big blind

me have nevr done big bld but me still want it to stay

 

[bldcuber314]

Why did the poll close?

Oh wait it didn't, sorry for the confusion. It looked closed as I'd already voted and the result looked final.

 

[qwr]

It's hilarious how the only people who advocate for the removal of big blind are people who have never done big blind

The only people who advocate for government oversight are people not in the government

 

[qwr]

To explain my inaccurate analogy: of course people who learned and presumably spent a lot of time doing big blind aren't going to want it removed. This is a very tiny unrepresentative proportion of cubers, and I don't think it's a good reason to keep big blind as a WCA event, especially if it makes competitions harder to run on time and hinders acceptance of FTO or other puzzles.

 

[GloopyGum]

I wouldn't call the only group of cubers who has more than a very basic knowledge of big blind to be unrepresentative

PS big blind often (actually almost always) takes less time to hold than popular events like 3x3 and 4x4

 

[OtaMota]

PS big blind often (actually almost always) takes less time to hold than popular events like 3x3 and 4x4

YEESSSSS.

I feel like a common fallacy that people have is that bc solve takes long (7x7 or 5BLD) it takes a lot of time of the schedule, but if you look at the time allotted for each event of Worlds 2023, you will find that one round of 2x2 took a significantly longer time than one round of 5BLD would.

 

[Filipe Teixeira]

my lan lan FTO arrived at my country. just more a few days until it get's to my house so I'll be a speed-ftoer

 

[qwr]

I wouldn't call the only group of cubers who has more than a very basic knowledge of big blind to be unrepresentative

I think this discussion should be in its own thread about keeping/removing big blind. Nevertheless:
The WCA has a neat SQL database query function: https://statistics.worldcubeassociation.org/database-query?sqlQuery=SELECT+* FROM+Results WHERE+eventId+=+"444bf"+and+average+>+0 GROUP+BY+personId
There are 233,414 people who have a WCA ID and have attended at least 1 competition. 2,777 people have a submitted 4BLD result, and 339 people have a submitted 4BLD mean. (1651 people have a submitted 5BLD result, and 122 people have a 5BLD mean.)
Thus, you have to consider if the 1.2% of people with a 4BLD result and 0.14% of people with a 4BLD mean are really representative of all cubers. And it's even smaller for 5BLD.

 

[ProStar]

I think this discussion should be in its own thread about keeping/removing big blind. Nevertheless:
The WCA has a neat SQL database query function: https://statistics.worldcubeassociation.org/database-query?sqlQuery=SELECT+* FROM+Results WHERE+eventId+=+"444bf"+and+average+>+0 GROUP+BY+personId
There are 233,414 people who have a WCA ID and have attended at least 1 competition. 2,777 people have a submitted 4BLD result, and 339 people have a submitted 4BLD mean.
Thus, you have to consider if the 1.2% of people with a 4BLD result and 0.14% of people with a 4BLD mean are really representative of all cubers.

It’s worth noting that unlike something like feet a few years back, big BLDs have an extremely high barrier to entry. Using the number of people who have official results isn’t quite as useful as it is with most other events

 

[qwr]

It’s worth noting that unlike something like feet a few years back, big BLDs have an extremely high barrier to entry. Using the number of people who have official results isn’t quite as useful as it is with most other events

Extremely high barrier to entry is a perfect reason to not have a WCA event, given that their mission statement is "Our mission is to have more competitions in more countries with more people and more fun, under fair and equal conditions."

(btw, this thread should not be in the competitions section.)

 

[GloopyGum]

The fact that big blind has such a high barrier to entry is a huge part of why it's special. They're the hard events; the most rewarding events. Big blind adds a challenge to the WCA event lineup. We shouldn't just stick to the shorter events because they're easier; we need the harder, longer events to balance them out.

And frankly, anybody who really wants a big blind success can get one if they put in enough work. It's not that hard.

 

[TheSilverBeluga]

Extremely high barrier to entry is a perfect reason to not have a WCA event, given that their mission statement is "Our mission is to have more competitions in more countries with more people and more fun, under fair and equal conditions."

(btw, this thread should not be in the competitions section.)

This is an extraordinarily confusing interpretation of the mission statement to me. What about a high barrier of entry is unequal? The barrier of entry is the same height for everyone.

Besides, removing an event is never something to be done lightly. Even the removal was feet was incredibly controversial, and it was the most obvious candidate for removal when it existed, and probably wouldn’t/shouldn’t have been removed just from lack of popularity alone without the hygiene problems.

Speaking of the removal of feet, why is there a prevalent opinion that an event must be removed for another to be added because of logistical reasons relating to championship competitions? They existed just fine with 18 events when feet was a thing, and weren’t even as long as they are today. What’s changed is not the number of events, but the number of competitors. It’s a much better solution to scale back the size of these competitions, in my opinion, preferably with a tiered registration.

Anyway, FTO is by far the best candidate for a new event. It’s the only one I support, actually, because it’s not super long, not super short, and isn’t particularly similar to any existing event in solving style.