E2CR2 Method proposal | A method for OH solving

[V Achyuthan]

I think this has some potential to be a fast method. (Ya I invented it)

Here is the speedsolving wiki page - https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/E2CR2
Youtube video tutorial with two example solves -

Let me know your thoughts on this.
Thank you

 

[Cubing Forever]

CP recog might be a problem but this seems completely novel. Good job!!
Also this might be the only good CP method if you want to be CN.

 

[V Achyuthan]

CP recog might be a problem but this seems completely novel. Good job!!
Also this might be the only good CP method if you want to be CN.

thank you

 

[OreKehStrah]

There’s not really a benefit to this and it’s kinda similar to an older ZZ variant.

By doing EOFB you lose out on some of the efficiency potential FB has. Then with the next step being to solve the DB DF line, you may as well just do EOLine - LB - bad CP then right block -2GLL or EOLine - RB - z rotation - bad cp stuff - RB2 - 2GLL.

The inspection is easier to just plan the EOLine instead of a block.

There’s also not really a reason to use this over the modern ZZ-D form of getting to EOF2L-1, CPLS which is just modified COLL recognition, 2GLL.

I’m not personally convinced 2Gen reduction is as good as people think for OH because you’re adding extra moves to force some of the longest ZBLLs, so your TPS has to be really high to compensate.

 

[V Achyuthan]

There’s not really a benefit to this and it’s kinda similar to an older ZZ variant.

It is similar to a lot of other methods. The closest one being LEOR

There’s not really a benefit to this and it’s kinda similar to an older ZZ variant.

By doing EOFB you lose out on some of the efficiency potential FB has. Then with the next step being to solve the DB DF line, you may as well just do EOLine - LB - bad CP then right block -2GLL or EOLine - RB - z rotation - bad cp stuff - RB2 - 2GLL.

until the CP step this method is basically the same as squall.
CP isn't that bad since it is only like 5 moves. I agree that recognizing cases is difficult, but I believe a better recog method will be developed in the future.

I’m not personally convinced 2Gen reduction is as good as people think for OH because you’re adding extra moves to force some of the longest ZBLLs, so your TPS has to be really high to compensate.

I agree there are some long ZBLLs. But look on the bright side. You can get 7 move last layers. And even LL skips more often due to EO and CP being done previously in the solve. You could also force a lot of LL skips sometimes.
Honestly speaking, I did a session of 75 solves and I have got 1 normal last layer skips and 2-3 Forced last layer skips, which is pretty poggers because normally LL skips only happen 1 in 15552.

These are the reasons why I think this method is suitable for OH.

 

[cuberswoop]

I have got 1 normal last layer skips and 2-3 Forced last layer skips, which is pretty poggers because normally LL skips only happen 1 in 15552.

Pog I'm using this for OH if this is true.

 

[OreKehStrah]

If you want an LL skip every solve use ZZ-CT

 

[PiKeeper]

Pog I'm using this for OH if this is true.

Last layer skips with solved cp a 1/324 but I wouldn't choose a method just based on rare occurences

 

[ruffleduck]

This is a ZZ variant called 2GR. It is generally considered as an inferior version of ZZ-D

 

[Mehta Cuber 2904]

If you want an LL skip every solve use ZZ-CT

Not viable for oh

 

[Mehta Cuber 2904]

Pog I'm using this for OH if this is true.

This is true

 

[Mehta Cuber 2904]

This is true

Oh lol. This is v Achyuthan. I am replying from I old alternate account lol. Sorry

 

[Mehta Cuber 2904]

Last layer skips with solved cp a 1/324 but I wouldn't choose a method just based on rare occurences

Not as rare as other base methods

 

[Mehta Cuber 2904]

Last layer skips with solved cp a 1/324 but I wouldn't choose a method just based on rare occurences

Not as rare as other base metho

This is a ZZ variant called 2GR. It is generally considered as an inferior version of ZZ-D

This method reduces the number of pieces unsolved in the first step. Rather than solving eo line. One can plan eo square and then track the remaining pair of the fb while solving the square.

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

Oh lol. This is v Achyuthan. I am replying from I old alternate account lol. Sorry

But that account was made much more recently then your main account.

Hi Jb Perm

 

[OreKehStrah]

Not viable for oh

It literally is. I personally developed the OH version as the variant has quite a lot of nice benefits for OH.

 

[V Achyuthan]

It literally is. I personally developed the OH version as the variant has quite a lot of nice benefits for OH.

ZZ-CT has a lot more algs compared to this method

 

[V Achyuthan]

But that account was made much more recently then your main account.

Hi Jb Perm

Ya Ik. I used it as an alternative when this account had some problem.

 

[V Achyuthan]

It literally is. I personally developed the OH version as the variant has quite a lot of nice benefits for OH.

also I got a dumb idea about combining ZZ-CT and E2CR2. It goes like this
EOFB
223
CP
Square at the back
TSLE
TTLL (Which will be only the 33% 2 gen algs)

Edit - This is for OH as well

 

[OreKehStrah]

ZZ-CT has a lot more algs compared to this method

Alg count does not mean something is bad. Basic CFOP requires double the algs of basic ZZ for just OLL.