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Cubing with Anthony: How to Learn PLL/OLL/ZBLL

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I plan on learning ZBLL, and have learned some, though most of the 60-70ish cases that I know are just COLLs that I know skip.
The other cases are mostly T/U 2GLLs and really easy block cases. (eg: Case 13 on algdb.net. It's the standard T->COLL-skip case but with the 2x2 block on the wrong side, so it won't skip EPLL too)
I found learning the couple cases with 2x2 or 1x1x3 blocks pretty easy, as recognition couldn't be a problem.
I do think that brute-learning ZBLLs set by set is a good way to do it also though. I hopefully will start doing it that way when I have more free time.

I only watched the ZBLL part, but great video!

E: Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see any ZBLL algorithms on andy's site.
 
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The last 3 month, I learned the entire T, U sets and half of the L set of ZBLL, but I went over the cases very quickly without practicing them much, so I forgot some algs and I still have trouble to recognise some of them quickly (which explains why my 3x3 times at my last comp were so bad).
My next comp (French championship) is in 2 weeks, do you think I should practice them in order to be able to use them offically or just give up for this comp and practice some other events ?
Note : I also learned OH algs for the cases that have a bad execution for OH, and I actually prefere Jabari's algs for both 3x3 and OH. And this : http://bestsiteever.ru/zbll/ is also a great place to practice ZBLL
 

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My next comp (French championship) is in 2 weeks, do you think I should practice them in order to be able to use them offically or just give up for this comp and practice some other events ?
I'd suggest focusing on one set for the next two weeks (either T or U) so that it's usable in comp. If you try to get it all down in such a short span of time it probably won't go well (speaking from experience... I've had a lot of comps like your last one haha.)
 
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The last 3 month, I learned the entire T, U sets and half of the L set of ZBLL, but I went over the cases very quickly without practicing them much, so I forgot some algs and I still have trouble to recognise some of them quickly (which explains why my 3x3 times at my last comp were so bad).
My next comp (French championship) is in 2 weeks, do you think I should practice them in order to be able to use them offically or just give up for this comp and practice some other events ?
Note : I also learned OH algs for the cases that have a bad execution for OH, and I actually prefere Jabari's algs for both 3x3 and OH. And this : http://bestsiteever.ru/zbll/ is also a great place to practice ZBLL
Anthony is surely the authority on this but I can offer some advice. In the last 12 months I have learned 250 of the 776 LMCF 3x3 set and I have found that slide show drilling is really the best option, hours and hours of drills and very little real solving of cubes. Also I recommend using my Reverse Scrambler utility so you can recognize and solve the cases on a real cube instead of on your computer screen:
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...ng-utility-available-reverse-scrambler.64265/
 
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Thanks to both of you for replying.
I'd suggest focusing on one set for the next two weeks (either T or U) so that it's usable in comp. If you try to get it all down in such a short span of time it probably won't go well (speaking from experience... I've had a lot of comps like your last one haha.)
I think I'll actually focus on all cases excepted the last ones I have learnt, the ones with adjacent colors (I don't know how they are called) because the COLL alg is already fast and I find them difficult to recognize. I already have been practicing half of the other cases so I think it will be fine
Anthony is surely the authority on this but I can offer some advice. In the last 12 months I have learned 250 of the 776 LMCF 3x3 set and I have found that slide show drilling is really the best option, hours and hours of drills and very little real solving of cubes. Also I recommend using my Reverse Scrambler utility so you can recognize and solve the cases on a real cube instead of on your computer screen:
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...ng-utility-available-reverse-scrambler.64265/
Yeah, I do that already with ZBLL trainer but I'll definitely check your utility whenever I'll need it for other algs sets! (although I'm not sure it will work on a Mac)
 
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It usually takes me about 40-60 minutes to learn one algorithm. Is this bad, and will I become faster? I heard the Chris Olson can learn an algorithm just by seeing someone do it. Will I ever reach this level?
 
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It usually takes me about 40-60 minutes to learn one algorithm. Is this bad, and will I become faster? I heard the Chris Olson can learn an algorithm just by seeing someone do it. Will I ever reach this level?
Possibly. I used to struggle with algorithms, but one day it just clicked. It takes me about 2 minutes to learn an algorithm plus it's mirror, inverse and inverse mirror. It takes a whole lot longer to associate the case with the alg, but that's another story.

With regards to learning algorithms just by seeing someone else do it, I think there are quite a few people who can do that. If someone does the alg slowly once or twice, I can usually follow it and figure it out. It's just a matter of breaking the alg into what it does rather than remembering individual moves.

All last layer algs by necessity involve breaking F2L in some way, doing something (often just a trigger or two) and then restoring the F2L. If you watch someone do an algorithm, then you just need to note how they break up the F2L and what they do in between. Most of the time, the last few moves to restore F2L are obvious so you don't even need to pay attention to them.
 
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Possibly. I used to struggle with algorithms, but one day it just clicked. It takes me about 2 minutes to learn an algorithm plus it's mirror, inverse and inverse mirror. It takes a whole lot longer to associate the case with the alg, but that's another story.

With regards to learning algorithms just by seeing someone else do it, I think there are quite a few people who can do that. If someone does the alg slowly once or twice, I can usually follow it and figure it out. It's just a matter of breaking the alg into what it does rather than remembering individual moves.

All last layer algs by necessity involve breaking F2L in some way, doing something (often just a trigger or two) and then restoring the F2L. If you watch someone do an algorithm, then you just need to note how they break up the F2L and what they do in between. Most of the time, the last few moves to restore F2L are obvious so you don't even need to pay attention to them.
Thanks, that calms me down quit a bit.
 
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