Cubing on youtube is over with COPPA

Etotheipi

Member
I feel like overlap between YT kids and normal youtube should exist, 13+ people should still be able to view, search, and comment on content marked for kids on the main platform. The child safety part is great, just they don't have to do it in a way that cripples all channels that involve something kids would like. And just because something interests kids doesn't mean that they are the target audience, merely a subset of that.

GAN 356 X

Member
That makes me angry... As long as J Perm can still make great videos I will be mostly happy

White KB

Member
Elephant Cuber-
YAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAAY

COPPA-
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Now my YouTube channel will SUFFER!
I wish...
MMPH!
I hate this!
Why...?
I'm about to cry right now! ...
Like, I was about to get 50 subs, and now! ...
I'm just going to have no way to... to grow, to... to do anything!
COPPA is stupid!

I mean, I thought you could solve any illegal problem by suing them! (irrational I know, but take the tobacco industry as an example)
But this injustice is the law!
YouTube is so stupid for AGREEING with them!

I don't hate the video (Thank you so much (not sarcastic) for informing me) but now my day is considerably worse.

Anyway, do you people have any tips now that this new stupid anarchic unnecessary law is in its disgusting place in a now much worse society?

Cubinwitdapizza

Member
Wow this is incredibly dumb. I’ve seen a lot of people on YouTube making videos about this. Like craft channels are being threatened because they are directed to both ages as well. Thats really dumb I mean this could even be bad because what if someone posts a video that has things that aren’t safe for children and says that it is safe for children that’s a big no no.
EDIT: i don’t know much about this so I don’t know if YouTube is going to actually look at the videos that’s what I assumed when I made my last comment.
EDIT 2: I also am not going to get in this any further cause it’s a politcal matter and that a no no for me.

Last edited:

Wish Lin

Member
WTF?
So basically I either choose between no views or being sued.

Here is the thing: My only cubing channel is a collab channel with 43 subs so I only get about 200 views per video RIGHT NOW and if COPPA affected me, I will basically have 0 views.

PugCuber

Member
Quick thing, this should actually be in the Off-Topic Discussion area.

Anyway, This is so stupid! I understand that YouTube has kept COPPA’s ideas in mind, but now that they actually support them, they’re basically just murdering the view counts of smaller channels. The thing is, this is mainly because of suspicion of minors in your YouTube videos. Because of this, with my most recent video, my Austin Fall 2019 vlog, (If you watch my videos, go watch it if you haven’t seen it) I was really confused why comments were turned off automatically. Like 3 minutes after I uploaded it. I tried to turn comments back on manually, but literally like 2 minutes later, they’re disabled again. This makes no sense. I understand this is to prevent bullying, but in reality, this does everything but that. I feel like a good analogy for the things YouTube’s partnership with COPPA is doing would be the things PETA does. Neither solves problems, both try to downfall the community in one way or another, and both just make the internet a bad place.

xyzzy

Member
Quick thing, this should actually be in the Off-Topic Discussion area.
It does seem to relate to the cubing community as a whole, considering how frequently information is disseminated via video. Well, it's up to the mods to decide if this should stay in General Speedcubing Discussion or be moved to Off-topic Discussion.

I understand this is to prevent bullying, but in reality, this does everything but that.
It's not just bullying that they're worried about, I can assure you.

Please don't talk over a video that also has someone talking in it; I can't make out what you or the guy in the video is trying to say. (And you don't have closed captions either!)

---

I don't yet have any strong opinion regarding this since I've only just heard about it. On one hand, my gut feel is that the reaction is overblown and this will end up being a huge nothingburger. On the other hand, YouTube also hasn't been doing great in dealing with the community at large in recent years (although to be fair, it's also a tough job).

AlphaCuber is awesome

Member
Guys cubing content is not for kids, yes kids watch it but when we make videos we don’t think ‘hey I hope the kids enjoy this’ we think ‘hey look at this new cube/alg/solve I hope this interests someone’ I’d say the average age for cubers is around 13 and this is targeting people under 13. Also most cubing channels are too small to get attention no one at YouTube or COPPA is thinking ‘hey that XYZcuber is taking advantage of his 200 subscribers who may be younger than 13’ they are trying to stop big corporate channels that manipulate their younger audience like the toy channels where children ‘review’ toys but really the parents have just found a way of getting easy money and if worst comes to worst just start your video saying crap or something then it can’t be for kids can it.

PugCuber

Member
Guys cubing content is not for kids, yes kids watch it but when we make videos we don’t think ‘hey I hope the kids enjoy this’ we think ‘hey look at this new cube/alg/solve I hope this interests someone’ I’d say the average age for cubers is around 13 and this is targeting people under 13. Also most cubing channels are too small to get attention no one at YouTube or COPPA is thinking ‘hey that XYZcuber is taking advantage of his 200 subscribers who may be younger than 13’ they are trying to stop big corporate channels that manipulate their younger audience like the toy channels where children ‘review’ toys but really the parents have just found a way of getting easy money and if worst comes to worst just start your video saying crap or something then it can’t be for kids can it.
The thing is, if we say it’s not for kids, the unfair thing is that there is a chance we could be fined $40k, which most of us don’t have. cuber314159 Member This is a reason to make a platform specifically for cubing vids But to actually do that would take ages and new cubers would be unlikely to find it which would mean the Cubers on YouTube don't really know what they are talking about but they get views so bad information is more likely to spread through the community. Petition for banning COPPA on YouTube: (COPPA is a U.S. system, so due to the First Amendment, we have the right to petition, unless your country says otherwise) https://forms.gle/h5qXH6LZei1YAbGq9 If you sign the petition your voice will count! Thank you in advance for signing! I'm not sure a Google form is going to get many signatures, I assume someone has already made a change.org petition for this that would be more likely to change things. AlphaCuber is awesome Member The thing is, if we say it’s not for kids, the unfair thing is that there is a chance we could be fined$40k, which most of us don’t have.
like I said they have better things to be doing then going after cubing channels with like 200 subs even "big" cubing channels aren't actually that large compared to a lot of people on youtube also look at how complicated cubing looks to non-cubers I think you couldmake the case that it is not for kids quite easily

PugCuber

Member
like I said they have better things to be doing then going after cubing channels with like 200 subs even "big" cubing channels aren't actually that large compared to a lot of people on youtube also look at how complicated cubing looks to non-cubers I think you couldmake the case that it is not for kids quite easily
That is true...

Etotheipi

Member
What I don't get is why you can be fined 40k for labeling something kids might like "not for kids" that doesn't harm anyone, its just like, in a terrible analogy of mine, if a apple seller got sued for not putting "dairy free" on his apples.

GAN 356 X

Member
This really is not a good predicament for the community as we provide a wide range of subjects for almost every age. And because of this stupid idea, Cubeorithms will no longer to be able to animate, for example!

PugCuber

Member
What I don't get is why you can be fined 40k for labeling something kids might like "not for kids" that doesn't harm anyone, its just like, in a terrible analogy of mine, if a apple seller got sued for not putting "dairy free" on his apples.
That’s what I’m saying. The fine is what’s unfair here. The chances of a minor having $40k to spend is almost zero, or maybe it IS zero. Tabe Member Soooooo much misunderstanding up above, so let me see if I can clear some stuff up: 1) COPPA is not a group or person. "COPPA" isn't doing anything to anyone. COPPA is the name of an American law aimed at protecting the privacy of children under 13. It has been in effect for nearly 20 years. Google and Youtube have been violating the law for a long, long time and are finally falling into line. It is a law with a valid, important purpose and not at all "stupid". 2) You will not get fined if you mark your content as "not for kids" and it ends up being for kids. If you have a cubing channel and mark it as "not for kids", you're good to go. The problem arises if you mark it "ok for kids" and then publish content that isn't OK for kids. That's where the$42,500 fines come from. Even then, the likelihood of actually getting hit with the fine is really, really small. Mostly what will happen is that Youtube, through their AI, will automatically flag you video as not for kids and that will be that.

3) The disabling of comments on videos for kids is not to protect from bullying. Well, that's maybe 1% of it. The main purpose is to stop the comment sections of videos from being used by predators seeking victims. Currently, the comment sections at Youtube are a haven for gross behavior of that nature.

4) The main effect of this law will be a reduction in ad revenue for a lot of channels. A major effect of COPPA is to make targeted advertising impossible for many demographics. This is because, before the enforcement of the COPPA law, advertisers were (illegally) using the private information of children under 13 (like browsing history, internet searches, etc) to deliver personalized ads. That won't happen anymore. So the ads displayed will be much more generic and, therefore, far less valuable. So, less ad money for channels that are monetized.

For the most part, this is going to be much ado about nothing. There will still be tons of cubing channels putting out content.

PugCuber

Member
Soooooo much misunderstanding up above, so let me see if I can clear some stuff up:

1) COPPA is not a group or person. "COPPA" isn't doing anything to anyone. COPPA is the name of an American law aimed at protecting the privacy of children under 13. It has been in effect for nearly 20 years. Google and Youtube have been violating the law for a long, long time and are finally falling into line. It is a law with a valid, important purpose and not at all "stupid".

2) You will not get fined if you mark your content as "not for kids" and it ends up being for kids. If you have a cubing channel and mark it as "not for kids", you're good to go. The problem arises if you mark it "ok for kids" and then publish content that isn't OK for kids. That's where the \$42,500 fines come from. Even then, the likelihood of actually getting hit with the fine is really, really small. Mostly what will happen is that Youtube, through their AI, will automatically flag you video as not for kids and that will be that.

3) The disabling of comments on videos for kids is not to protect from bullying. Well, that's maybe 1% of it. The main purpose is to stop the comment sections of videos from being used by predators seeking victims. Currently, the comment sections at Youtube are a haven for gross behavior of that nature.

4) The main effect of this law will be a reduction in ad revenue for a lot of channels. A major effect of COPPA is to make targeted advertising impossible for many demographics. This is because, before the enforcement of the COPPA law, advertisers were (illegally) using the private information of children under 13 (like browsing history, internet searches, etc) to deliver personalized ads. That won't happen anymore. So the ads displayed will be much more generic and, therefore, far less valuable. So, less ad money for channels that are monetized.

For the most part, this is going to be much ado about nothing. There will still be tons of cubing channels putting out content.
Thanks for providing more context. I think the entire cubing community appreciates it.