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Could it be possible for most Cubers to have a high IQ?

What’s your IQ Level?

  • 85-114

    Votes: 9 15.5%
  • 114-129

    Votes: 16 27.6%
  • 130 or above

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • 84 or below.

    Votes: 5 8.6%

  • Total voters
    58
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The title of this thread. The way we get good solves and plan out inspection well is by our thinking, and IQ has to do with thinking.
On normal IQ tests, they show puzzles for you to solve, in order to test your IQ. The Rubik’s cube is a puzzle, and as speedcubers, we think about what F2L alg or whatever we need to do.

Another question is, what’s your IQ? (Take one here)
Mine’s is 119.



This thread is the 65000th thread too,
 
IQ measures a person's reasoning ability.
I would argue that IQ isn't directly correlated in any way to ability to solve a Rubik's Cube, which is obviously just pattern recognition and muscle memory.

This is a very helpful video:


Additionally, I think the title is phrased incorrectly. Of course it can be possible for cubers to have high IQ. Just like it's possible for swimmers, basketball players, artists, programmers, etc. The two just aren't directly corellated to eachother.
 
IQ measures a person's reasoning ability.
I would argue that IQ isn't directly correlated in any way to ability to solve a Rubik's Cube, which is obviously just pattern recognition and muscle memory.

This is a very helpful video:

There is some reasoning involved. You have to choose whether to execute an algorithm from one angle or another. Like with U perms. You could do the RU algs, MU algs, or the fast RUS algs, depending on the angle and experience.
For big cubes there’s also a lot of reasoning involved with choosing which center or bar to work on next if you use a reduction-based approach. They might be cases sure but you have to know those and be able to choose the best case when possible.
 
I don't like when people say someone is smart or dumb or has a high or low IQ

when people say someone is fast at solving X type o problems or can make quickly X type of math calculation or is better than anyone they know at remebering X type of information I find more reliable than simply saying person is smort or not
 
There is some reasoning involved. You have to choose whether to execute an algorithm from one angle or another. Like with U perms. You could do the RU algs, MU algs, or the fast RUS algs, depending on the angle and experience.
For big cubes there’s also a lot of reasoning involved with choosing which center or bar to work on next if you use a reduction-based approach. They might be cases sure but you have to know those and be able to choose the best case when possible.
I agree, however i would still argue that doing a case based off the angle falls under pattern recognition
IQ tests are very unreliable imo
Especially free, online ones.
 
Fun fact: “actual doctor-administrated” IQ tests can vary by 15+ points depending on which location you go to. This goes for MENSA official testing locations, and MENSA claims to be extremely prestigious and exclusive. Online IQ tests are an absolute joke (even MENSA’s practice test), and in-person ones are highly variable and not particular accurate. Even IQ itself is indicative of literally nothing meaningful, and certainly not intelligence.
 
Fun fact: “actual doctor-administrated” IQ tests can vary by 15+ points depending on which location you go to. This goes for MENSA official testing locations, and MENSA claims to be extremely prestigious and exclusive. Online IQ tests are an absolute joke (even MENSA’s practice test), and in-person ones are highly variable and not particular accurate. Even IQ itself is indicative of literally nothing meaningful, and certainly not intelligence.
I appreciate the confidence boost.
 
Fun fact: “actual doctor-administrated” IQ tests can vary by 15+ points depending on which location you go to. This goes for MENSA official testing locations, and MENSA claims to be extremely prestigious and exclusive. Online IQ tests are an absolute joke (even MENSA’s practice test), and in-person ones are highly variable and not particular accurate. Even IQ itself is indicative of literally nothing meaningful, and certainly not intelligence.
I have taken a professional IQ test before, as well as various online IQ tests, and the numbers I get are generally quite consistent (which is the mark of a good psychological test). I always get results in a 20 point range. Out of my friends that have done IQ tests, they also generally get the numbers I would expect (again landing in a 20 point range). This is all anecdotal, but it seems unlikely to me that the tests would seem to work so well in the cases I know of if they were actually just random or extremely inaccurate. Of course, there is variance, but I think that you can have some confidence that your true IQ lies within 10-20 points of your score, especially if you have done a few different tests, which is a big range, but not trivial.

In terms of IQ itself, I don't think it's fair to say that it's indicative of "literally nothing meaningful." From what I understand, it is the best single predictor for a person's success (financially). Mandatory disclaimer that, obviously, IQ has nothing to do with your value as a person, if only for the fact that you did nothing to deserve your IQ. Some people fixate too much on IQ and I understand there's a lot of debate about the technicalities of IQ, but insofar as people generally understand that some people are smarter than others, I've never heard of a good argument for why IQ is not a decent way to quantify that intuition.

It seems clear to me that speedsolving would correlate with IQ or intelligence more broadly. Pattern recognition is the most obvious. IQ tests also often test spatial reasoning and memory.
If you look up various top cubers of the past or present, you'll find that they are disproportionately successful, mostly in STEM fields. Off the top of my head, I know that Collin Burns works for OpenAI and Kevin Hays has worked for several FAANG companies. I used to participate in math competitions, and I know a lot of people from that who were into cubing as well (notably someone who went to the International Math Olympiad was also an AsR holder in big cubes). To me, there seems to be a lot of empirical and theoretical reasons to believe that there is a correlation between the two (here I'm taking for granted that high performance in STEM correlates with IQ score).
 
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