# Collection of awkward 3 style edge commutators

#### c4cuber

##### Member
hey guys, only edges are stopping me from getting sub 20 execution using 3 style. i figured out that there are some awkward edge comms that are not move and speed efficient. so, i made this thread to help me and you figure out the awkward comms and the execution of them. i have figured out some. if you can , you can post the best execution for those. you can also figure out the awkward cases on your own.

NOTE - i use noah's speffz scheme.

GW (DF LD DB) AND IT'S MIRROR
FW (DF LF DB) AND IT'S MIRROR
XH (DF DL LB ) AND IT'S MIRROR
PH (DF RF LB) AND IT'S MIRROR
JO (DF FR RD) AND IT'S MIRROR
PG (DF RF LD) AND IT'S MIRROR
PR (DF RF BL) AND IT'S MIRROR

if you find more awkward comms, try mentioning those in your comment:tu

#### Ollie

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GW = x' U' L U' M2 U L' U' M2 U2 x
FW = x M U2 M U' M' U2 M' U x'
XH = z' R U' M U R U' M' U R2 z
PH = [z' x': U R2 U', M2]
JO = u' setup to 9-mover
PG = x L' to U-perm or [y' x': R', U M2 U']
PR = [x': M U M', D] or [x: M D M', U]

Maybe in future post things like this in Random Blindfolded Cubing Discussion in the Blindfolded Solving sub forum and BLDers can give you nice algs. The only really awkward cases there are JO.

Also consider using Cube Explorer to generate algs.

#### Tao Yu

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[x': M U M', D] or [x: M D M', U]
I think the nine mover is nicer here: z U2 M' U L' U' M U L U z'

#### Ollie

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I think the nine mover is nicer here: z U2 M' U L' U' M U L U z'
I do the 9 mover for the mirror But I don't like the L-moves there, just IMO x)

#### c4cuber

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GW = x' U' L U' M2 U L' U' M2 U2 x
FW = x M U2 M U' M' U2 M' U x'
XH = z' R U' M U R U' M' U R2 z
PH = [z' x': U R2 U', M2]
JO = u' setup to 9-mover
PG = x L' to U-perm or [y' x': R', U M2 U']
PR = [x': M U M', D] or [x: M D M', U]

Maybe in future post things like this in Random Blindfolded Cubing Discussion in the Blindfolded Solving sub forum and BLDers can give you nice algs. The only really awkward cases there are JO.

Also consider using Cube Explorer to generate algs.
what do you use for SQ and it's mirror? and also for JO, would R u' followed by an 8 mover work fine?

#### Ollie

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how do you memorize this? what is the logic?
SQ = x' U M' U' M' U2 M U' M U' x or [U x: U' R' U, M']

and it's a commutator (not a center-safe one...) but the (x M U2 M) inserts DB into UF and U' is the interchange (the target moves from LF to RF during the insertion.)

#### c4cuber

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SQ = x' U M' U' M' U2 M U' M U' x or [U x: U' R' U, M']

and it's a commutator (not a center-safe one...) but the (x M U2 M) inserts DB into UF and U' is the interchange (the target moves from LF to RF during the insertion.)
you're awesome! i will ask you for comms for corners also!

#### c4cuber

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what will be the edge comm for HW?

#### c4cuber

##### Member
RG? i have been asking you comms over and over again. you may get irritated. i am sorry for that. but i want to learn.

#### Ollie

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RG? i have been asking you comms over and over again. you may get irritated. i am sorry for that. but i want to learn.
u' to the 9-mover

I don't mind, just PM me instead so you don't spam the front page!

#### TheOneOnTheLeft

##### tOOtl
Noah has posted a complete list of his comms in a thread. You should try checking there for algs before you ask for specific one in a separate thread. I think Marcell has posted all of his comms in a google doc too.

#### c4cuber

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Noah has posted a complete list of his comms in a thread. You should try checking there for algs before you ask for specific one in a separate thread. I think Marcell has posted all of his comms in a google doc too.
Noah has posted only his corner cycles. he has not completed the edges.

#### TheOneOnTheLeft

##### tOOtl
Noah has posted only his corner cycles. he has not completed the edges.
My mistake, I'd only ever looked there for corner comms and just assumed that the edges were filled in too because there was a spoiler for them.

#### TheOneOnTheLeft

##### tOOtl
It says on the readme "if you can't find a case, look for its inverse".

#### Ollie

##### Member
if you look around the last part, you will notice that the list is incomplete. so as riffz's.
You have to look for the inverse if you can't find a case, it's all there.

edit: ninja'd

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#### Daniel Lin

##### Guest
not sure if these are good

HW x D M' U2 M D' M' U2 M x'
RG x D U L' U' M' U L U' M D' x'