Best way to go from zero to full ZB?

[asbjorn]

I'm sure there is already a thread buried somewhere discussing this, but I'm after the most up to date approach to learning ZB from regular CFOP. I hear that VHLS is much more efficient than ZBLS, and before ZBLL you have to know COLL and 2GLL. I suppose my main question is how to commit so many algs to memory without getting totally overwhelmed with information. What is an acceptable timeframe to learn all of this, where do you recommend I train ZBLL algs, are there any good video series on youtube, etc. Basically: where do I start? Me me want go big fast lol

Thanks in advance.

 

[Swagrid]

I have a comprehensive ZBLL training routine detailed in my video on how to master ZZ, which is also available in text form as the zbll subheader under the ZZ header in the GEO3x3 document.

ZBLS is far less documented bc people either just did ZBLL when it came up or did ZBLS during cross. you're kinda out in the weeds with that one

 

[Cubist-Guitar]

I'm sure there is already a thread buried somewhere discussing this, but I'm after the most up to date approach to learning ZB from regular CFOP. I hear that VHLS is much more efficient than ZBLS, and before ZBLL you have to know COLL and 2GLL. I suppose my main question is how to commit so many algs to memory without getting totally overwhelmed with information. What is an acceptable timeframe to learn all of this, where do you recommend I train ZBLL algs, are there any good video series on youtube, etc. Basically: where do I start? Me me want go big fast lol

Thanks in advance.

Hello! I am also going to learn ZBLL soon, so I am doing this to help me and you at the same time! Without further ado, let’s begin!
1. VHLS is less efficient than ZBLS, since it makes LS a 2-look step instead of a look step, so I would avoid learning a ton of LS algs for now, just to make it easier for the learner.
2. To commit that many algs to memory, you should be consistent in learning the algs, and also making sure you regularly revisit the algs and drill them so they don’t leave your memory as quickly
3. Depending on your time commitments and time constraints, anywhere from 6 months to 2 years is a fine time frame to learn all of ZBLL, although people like Tao Yu (A ZZ main) have learned all of ZBLL in 2 months using virtual cubes to avoid scrambling constantly
4. Learning ZBLL has a couple of main sources, but two of the best are JuJu’s ZBLL sheet and SpeedcubeDB.com for learning the algs and bestsiteever.ru for drilling the algs
5. Max Siauw has a very good YT series for ONLY T AND U SET. Other than that, there aren’t that many other videos serieses of ZBLL
6. For ZBLL, you should start with either 2GLL of T/U set. You should take about 1-2 weeks to learn, drill, recall, and drill old algs that you learned before
7. If you want to be big fast, ZBLL is often not the best way. Consider learning better F2L tricks, planning Cross+1, and becoming excellent at lookahead at 6-8 TPS. ZBLL will only useful for most people after sub 8, although learning it before won’t hurt your cubing skills ig

 

[jburrito75]

Hello! I am also going to learn ZBLL soon, so I am doing this to help me and you at the same time! Without further ado, let’s begin!
1. VHLS is less efficient than ZBLS, since it makes LS a 2-look step instead of a look step, so I would avoid learning a ton of LS algs for now, just to make it easier for the learner.
2. To commit that many algs to memory, you should be consistent in learning the algs, and also making sure you regularly revisit the algs and drill them so they don’t leave your memory as quickly
3. Depending on your time commitments and time constraints, anywhere from 6 months to 2 years is a fine time frame to learn all of ZBLL, although people like Tao Yu (A ZZ main) have learned all of ZBLL in 2 months using virtual cubes to avoid scrambling constantly
4. Learning ZBLL has a couple of main sources, but two of the best are JuJu’s ZBLL sheet and SpeedcubeDB.com for learning the algs and bestsiteever.ru for drilling the algs
5. Max Siauw has a very good YT series for ONLY T AND U SET. Other than that, there aren’t that many other videos serieses of ZBLL
6. For ZBLL, you should start with either 2GLL of T/U set. You should take about 1-2 weeks to learn, drill, recall, and drill old algs that you learned before
7. If you want to be big fast, ZBLL is often not the best way. Consider learning better F2L tricks, planning Cross+1, and becoming excellent at lookahead at 6-8 TPS. ZBLL will only useful for most people after sub 8, although learning it before won’t hurt your cubing skills ig

Bro is a scholar

 

[Swagrid]

Tao Yu (A ZZ

Tao Yu is not a ZZ main, used to be a Petrus main, then moved to CFOP/ZB

 

[Hazel]

I had about 51% of ZBLL learned at one point before I got bored and stopped. My advice:

- Use a virtual cube. Scrambling takes time, and you can get in much more practice without it. Plus, if you set out to practice x cases, you'll be able to get through them much quicker, helping keep motivation up. Personally, I connected a Giiker i3S smart cube to Tao Yu's trainer, and found that this worked very well.
- Practice every day. You shouldn't be going more than ~36 hours without a practice session. Practice individual sets you struggle with, or practice all your sets at once. Just get in a lot of practice or you'll start forgetting fast.
- Don't learn sets too fast. I would learn an entire COLL set at a time, then drill a bunch before learning another. Sometimes I got down 24 cases in a day, but as you learn more and more ZBLL, you really need to slow down as you go. Once you learn an entire ZBLL set, you have to practice a bunch before you should start on the next one. Trust me, it's easier than you think to forget cases you think you have down.
- When doing timed solves, actually do ZBLL when cases you know come up. It'll slow down your time, but it's important to get used to using your cases for real. If a case you know comes up and you think "ah I know this one, but I want a fast time so I'll just do OLL/PLL", then you'll never actually switch.

Biggest thing to remember is that if you're learning ZBLL/ZB because you think it'll make you fast, forget it and practice F2L or something else. It can improve your times, but learning ZBLL is only going to be important if you're already like sub-8. There's better ways to improve your times faster and more easily. But learning ZBLL can be super fun and satisfying—that's why I tried to do it, and I think it's a perfectly acceptable reason to do so.

 

[asbjorn]

I had about 51% of ZBLL learned at one point before I got bored and stopped. My advice:

- Use a virtual cube. Scrambling takes time, and you can get in much more practice without it. Plus, if you set out to practice x cases, you'll be able to get through them much quicker, helping keep motivation up. Personally, I connected a Giiker i3S smart cube to Tao Yu's trainer, and found that this worked very well.
- Practice every day. You shouldn't be going more than ~36 hours without a practice session. Practice individual sets you struggle with, or practice all your sets at once. Just get in a lot of practice or you'll start forgetting fast.
- Don't learn sets too fast. I would learn an entire COLL set at a time, then drill a bunch before learning another. Sometimes I got down 24 cases in a day, but as you learn more and more ZBLL, you really need to slow down as you go. Once you learn an entire ZBLL set, you have to practice a bunch before you should start on the next one. Trust me, it's easier than you think to forget cases you think you have down.
- When doing timed solves, actually do ZBLL when cases you know come up. It'll slow down your time, but it's important to get used to using your cases for real. If a case you know comes up and you think "ah I know this one, but I want a fast time so I'll just do OLL/PLL", then you'll never actually switch.

Biggest thing to remember is that if you're learning ZBLL/ZB because you think it'll make you fast, forget it and practice F2L or something else. It can improve your times, but learning ZBLL is only going to be important if you're already like sub-8. There's better ways to improve your times faster and more easily. But learning ZBLL can be super fun and satisfying—that's why I tried to do it, and I think it's a perfectly acceptable reason to do so.

Very in depth and comprehensive, thank you i appreciate it. Better F2L seems to be the consensus everywhere I look. I'm hardly even close to a sub-8 single, let alone any sort of average.

 

[ProStar]

I had about 51% of ZBLL learned at one point before I got bored and stopped.

I'm a failure