# Beginners Time.

#### PandaCuber

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Well I havent been cubing for long and I would like to post my times in a place were there arent sub 15 second times lol.
Average: 50.25
Average of 3: 48.26
Standard Deviation: 5.98
1. 48.99
2. 51.89
3. 44.46
4. 58.13
5. 47.73
6. 58.79
7. 47.13
8. 43.33
9. 57.80
10. 56.77
11. 41.29
12. 46.71

Can someone tell me if im on the right track?

I did f2l, 2 look oll and 2 look pll. I know about 10 oll's, not much, i know.

#### qqwref

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You're on the right track if you're improving. And I'd suggest learning 1-look PLL next.

#### PandaCuber

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You're on the right track if you're improving. And I'd suggest learning 1-look PLL next.
For me, pll is the hardest of it all.. I dont understand the algorithms.

#### HelpCube

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For me, pll is the hardest of it all.. I dont understand the algorithms.
you dont have to understand them, just be able to recognize them and execute them from muscle memory. Definately learn it before full oll.

#### PandaCuber

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you dont have to understand them, just be able to recognize them and execute them from muscle memory. Definately learn it before full oll.
Ohh. well i know more oll than pll so i should flip my whole practice?

#### iEnjoyCubing

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Ohh. well i know more oll than pll so i should flip my whole practice?
Yes. It's more beneficial to learn all the PLLs before all the OLLs.

#### PandaCuber

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Yes. It's more beneficial to learn all the PLLs before all the OLLs.
Okay ill do that. But I dont really understand why PLLs help you more. I dont get it...

Ps. Sorry for asking newb questions..

#### Carson

Posting a breakdown of the times for the steps of your solve could be helpful as well.

#### PandaCuber

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Posting a breakdown of the times for the steps of your solve could be helpful as well.
What do you mean? Time seperately my f2l, oll, and pll?

#### Rpotts

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Yes that is what he means.
Full PLL is generally more beneficial that full OLL because full PLL is only 21 algs, and you probably already know 4 or 5 of them. Full OLL is 57 algorithms, leaving 47 to be learned.

Also, 2 look PLL oftentimes will take you more than 2 looks if you don't know a diagonal corner swap alg, or don't know Z/H perms. In the event you get a diagonal swap and only know U and A perms, you'd end up doing 2 A perms and then 2 U perms if you get a Z perm after solving corners. This would give you 4-look PLL and probably take you over 10 seconds.

2 Look OLL isn't much slower than full OLL, the algorithms are quick and easy so doing F (R U R' U') F' then a sune can be done very quickly. Full OLL will only save you a second or two, whereas full PLL can save you 5 seconds or more at your pace.

To start learning some PLLs you can read my post to easily learn Y, T and J perm while also getting two free OLLs in the process.

Good luck, keep it up, your times will drop if you continue to learn and practice.

#### PandaCuber

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Yes that is what he means.
Full PLL is generally more beneficial that full OLL because full PLL is only 21 algs, and you probably already know 4 or 5 of them. Full OLL is 57 algorithms, leaving 47 to be learned.

Also, 2 look PLL oftentimes will take you more than 2 looks if you don't know a diagonal corner swap alg, or don't know Z/H perms. In the event you get a diagonal swap and only know U and A perms, you'd end up doing 2 A perms and then 2 U perms if you get a Z perm after solving corners. This would give you 4-look PLL and probably take you over 10 seconds.

2 Look OLL isn't much slower than full OLL, the algorithms are quick and easy so doing F (R U R' U') F' then a sune can be done very quickly. Full OLL will only save you a second or two, whereas full PLL can save you 5 seconds or more at your pace.

To start learning some PLLs you can read my post to easily learn Y, T and J perm while also getting two free OLLs in the process.

Good luck, keep it up, your times will drop if you continue to learn and practice.
WOW thanks man!

#### chris410

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Do not neglect cross building and f2l cases. Lastly, use the algorithm wiki to find algorithms that may be easier for you to execute. Try to focus on being smooth, try to move at a pace that allows for fewer pauses.

#### inuyasha51089

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I have a question to post here as well just out of curiosity. if someone was making these times using the same steps that the store bought rubiks comes with would that be good???

#### uberCuber

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Also, 2 look PLL oftentimes will take you more than 2 looks if you don't know a diagonal corner swap alg, or don't know Z/H perms.
Then you wouldn't know 2-look PLL.... The definition of 2-look PLL is that it won't take you more than 2 looks.

#### Cheese11

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you dont have to understand them, just be able to recognize them and execute them from muscle memory. Definately learn it before full oll.
One should only learn algs if they understand them. For Instance, I wouldn't be learning CMLL right now if I didn't know what it did.

#### Cheese11

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I have a question to post here as well just out of curiosity. if someone was making these times using the same steps that the store bought rubiks comes with would that be good???
With the method your talking about, I got down to 35 sec. Then dropped the method after a friend showed me Roux. Though there is room for improvement, you are doing quite well. It also depends on how long you've been cubing. It took me a year to get where I was (Note I didn't know about other methods or fingertricks).

#### Yuxuibbs

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since i went from beginner's to cfop for my last layer i just do cross on yellow so i only have to learn 7 OLLs.... now im stuck with trying to find good algorithms for N and G perms.
when i switched, it took me way more than 4 looks for the last layer because if you get a y perm, you would have to do the u perm twice then do an A perm same thing if you get a T perm.

my PLLs are under 3 seconds but my OLLs are faster. your times would be slower if you are stuck spending >10 seconds on PLL alone because you don't know full PLL. (btw my last layer fails, average is about 10 seconds)

if you learn OLL first but don't know PLL how are you gonna finish the cube? for me it was easier to learn PLL first than worry about OLL.

#### PandaCuber

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Posting a breakdown of the times for the steps of your solve could be helpful as well.
OK.

Scramble: U B2 U' F2 R2 U2 F2 D' R2 U2 R2 B' U' F2 R' F2 R2 L' U F2 D'

Cross time: 5.34
F2L: 21.08
2 Look OLL: 6.43
Skipped first look of PLL, so PLL: 2.77
If I were to do this without pausing, my time would be: 35.62
I used the same scramble and solved it: 37.99
Paused time betweeen each step: 2.37

Is this any good?
Or is this even what you told me I should do Carson?

#### PandaCuber

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To Pandacuber on his original post.

Hi Iv'e been using the same method (apart from switching from keyhole to F2l constantly) and started with a time of about 56 seconds, this quickly dropped to 45 then 35, I am now just just finishing learning all the the pll algs and my average has dropped to 28 seconds.So yes you are are on the right track.
Thanks!

#### Yuxuibbs

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OK.

Scramble: U B2 U' F2 R2 U2 F2 D' R2 U2 R2 B' U' F2 R' F2 R2 L' U F2 D'

Cross time: 5.34
F2L: 21.08
2 Look OLL: 6.43
Skipped first look of PLL, so PLL: 2.77
If I were to do this without pausing, my time would be: 35.62
I used the same scramble and solved it: 37.99
Paused time betweeen each step: 2.37

Is this any good?
Or is this even what you told me I should do Carson?
i would suggest doing an average of breakdowns.... but focus on F2L and cross because that's what's killing your time the most.