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B2L -> LL / FreeFOP

Kirjava

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02:43:12 <+DanCohen> ****
02:43:21 <+DanCohen> i hate alg amnesia
02:43:53 <+Kirjava> KEEP TRYING IT'LL COME ALONG
02:44:03 <+Kirjava> I'm trying to force more OLL into my brain XD
02:44:11 <+Kirjava> replacing a 17 mover I came up with with a 9 mover >_>
02:44:43 < qq> lmao
02:44:46 < amostay2004> Kirjava: i think you put more effort into CFOP than a normal CFOP user >_>
02:45:25 <+Kirjava> My F2L could use a little work :p
02:45:37 < qq> and I might've put more effort into roux than some of the speedsolving forum's roux users
02:45:37 < qq> so wat
02:45:52 <+Kirjava> instead of doing F2L
02:45:56 <+Kirjava> I just make a 2x3x3 block
02:45:57 <+Kirjava> :p
02:45:59 < amostay2004> just sayin'
02:46:01 <+Kirjava> ...somehow
02:46:11 < qq> that's not even F2L
02:46:13 < qq> or at least
02:46:15 < qq> not fridrich F2L
02:46:44 <+Kirjava> like i said 4 hours ago
02:46:47 < qq> I believe what you are using is properly called "BFOP"
02:46:56 <+Kirjava> it isn't
02:47:00 <+Kirjava> I don't do OLL/PLL all the time
02:47:08 < qq> well, okay
02:47:12 <+Kirjava> I need a generic name for all 2x3x3 > LL methods
02:47:16 < qq> still
02:47:17 <+Kirjava> and 2x3x3+EO > LL methods
02:47:24 < qq> how about B2L
02:47:27 < qq> block 2 layers
02:47:30 <+Kirjava> ahaha
02:47:32 <+Kirjava> that works
02:47:41 <%lgarron> Block to 2 layers
02:47:45 <%lgarron> :p
02:47:46 <+Kirjava> so
02:47:50 <+Kirjava> the full method would be
02:47:52 <+Kirjava> BLL
02:47:55 <+Kirjava> B2L then LL
02:48:00 <+Kirjava> rite?
02:48:02 <%lgarron> ?
02:48:05 < amostay2004> pronounced BALL
02:48:10 <+Kirjava> because like
02:48:11 < qq> what? no
02:48:15 <+Kirjava> I need to group that **** somehow
02:48:19 < qq> F2L + LL != FLL
02:48:25 < qq> so B2L + LL != BLL >_>
02:48:28 <+Kirjava> what is F2L + LL then?
02:48:34 <+Kirjava> it depends how you do it
02:48:37 <+Kirjava> I can't say like
02:48:38 <+Kirjava> COPCE
02:48:42 <+Kirjava> *BOPC
02:48:43 <%lgarron> BLL is LL after B2L.
02:48:43 <+Kirjava> olol
02:48:48 < qq> F2L+LL itself doesn't really have a name
02:48:56 <%lgarron> B2L+LL
02:48:56 <+Kirjava> either BOP or BCE
02:49:01 <%lgarron> B2L3
02:49:02 <%lgarron> :p
02:49:10 <%lgarron> BFOP.
02:49:15 <%lgarron> BFCE
02:49:24 <+Kirjava> there's no F ^_^
02:49:30 <%lgarron> F2L.
02:49:33 <+Kirjava> but I like B2L3 aswell
02:49:38 <+Kirjava> as a generic name for all methods in that group
02:49:45 <+Kirjava> CFOP, Petrus... MGLS...
02:50:03 < qq> I really like the idea of BFOP though
02:50:06 < qq> block, f2l, oll, pll
02:50:15 <+Kirjava> but but
02:50:22 <%lgarron> F2L is such a messy acronym.
02:50:24 <+Kirjava> 2x3x3 is often done without any F2L
02:50:30 < qq> what?
02:50:37 <%lgarron> Kirjava: First two layers.
02:50:41 < qq> BFOP is anything where you start with a block, finish F2L, and do OLL/PLL
02:50:43 <%lgarron> It's a part of the cube.
02:50:45 < qq> it's NOT petrus
02:50:49 < qq> but, like, fridrus type thing
02:50:58 <+Kirjava> nono
02:51:02 <+Kirjava> when I mean F2L
02:51:09 <%lgarron> The step?
02:51:10 <+Kirjava> I specifically mean the F2L technique from CFOP
02:51:17 <%lgarron> That's only half of it.
02:52:00 <+Kirjava> idk man
02:52:02 <+Kirjava> I like BOP and BCE
02:52:03 <%lgarron> We don't have his book.
02:52:06 <+Kirjava> and B2L3
02:52:26 < qq> I don't even know what is B2L3
02:52:38 <+Kirjava> do two layers somehow > do the third layer
02:52:49 < qq> but why did you call it that
02:52:51 <%lgarron> BOP = B2L, OLL, PLL?
02:52:53 <+Kirjava> idk
02:52:57 <+Kirjava> lucas suggested it
02:52:58 <+Kirjava> yah
02:52:59 <%lgarron> qq: B2L+LL :p
02:53:09 <+Kirjava> B2LLL? :)
02:53:11 < qq> lgarron: FOP = F2L, OLL, PLL ?
02:53:21 <%lgarron> If you want.
02:53:22 <+Kirjava> um yah
02:53:31 <+Kirjava> but you're missing out a cross
02:53:32 <%lgarron> CFOP, though.
02:53:35 <+Kirjava> which is a seperate step
02:53:37 <+Kirjava> from F2L
02:53:50 <+Kirjava> whereas B2L is the entire two layers
02:53:57 <+Kirjava> F2L is just the CE pairs
02:54:11 <%lgarron> OR the layers. :p
02:54:15 <+Kirjava> yeah
02:54:17 <+Kirjava> which is gay
02:54:32 < qq> well technically
02:54:37 < qq> fridrich's f2l step = "finish f2l"
02:54:52 <%lgarron> 9x9x9 method: F4L, N3L, L2L.
02:54:58 <+Kirjava> haha
02:55:05 <+Kirjava> inefficient much? XD
02:55:24 <%lgarron> Can we somehow make a distinction between the two meanings of F2L
02:55:24 <%lgarron> ?
02:55:35 <+Kirjava> the distinction is made based on context
02:56:25 <%lgarron> Hah.
02:56:41 <+Kirjava> anyway
02:56:48 <+Kirjava> B2L is good for a 2x3x3 block
02:57:12 <+Kirjava> and a LL that doesn't use any particular system is just LL
02:57:18 <+Kirjava> method is BL?
02:57:55 <%lgarron> How about CBOP?
02:58:05 <+Kirjava> what does the C stand for?
02:58:08 <+Kirjava> since um
02:58:12 <%lgarron> Cross. :p
02:58:12 <+Kirjava> cross isn't a step >_>
02:58:20 <+Kirjava> and OLL/PLL isn't a step in the method, either
02:58:23 <%lgarron> ZZ-CBOP.
02:58:37 <%lgarron> ZZ-CBCE!
02:58:46 < qq> how about BFOOP
02:58:51 < qq> block, f2l, occasionally oll/pll
02:58:58 <+Kirjava> heh
02:59:02 <+Kirjava> I like the sentiment
02:59:06 <+Kirjava> buut
02:59:07 <+Kirjava> it's not
02:59:12 <+Kirjava> Block > F2L
02:59:18 <+Kirjava> and
02:59:32 <+Kirjava> I don't see why OLL/PLL should be specifically metioned
02:59:40 <+Kirjava> that's like implying you only do OLL/PLL when you know it
02:59:40 < qq> because it makes a nice end to the acronym
02:59:42 < qq> and contrasts with CFOP
03:00:07 <+Kirjava> man, this **** is hard
03:00:15 <+Kirjava> and all because fridrich ****ed up the acronym
03:00:37 < amostay2004> lol this discussion is still on
03:00:58 <+Kirjava> just can't think of a good name for the entire thing, man
03:01:03 <%lgarron> Cross, Fridrich, OLL, PLL
03:01:05 <+Kirjava> I love B2L though <3
03:01:13 <+Kirjava> F2L, F2B, B2L
03:01:15 < qq> :>
03:01:36 <+Kirjava> B2L includes Cross/F2L sometimes tho
03:01:44 <+Kirjava> it's more like freestyle LBL
03:01:48 < qq> heh
03:02:27 <+Kirjava> CFOP
03:02:31 <+Kirjava> and FreeBOP
03:02:45 <+Kirjava> FreeBLL
03:03:04 < qq> freeFACE
03:03:12 <+Kirjava> go on..
03:03:22 < qq> freestyle, first layer (all of it)
03:03:26 < qq> , cll, ell
03:04:33 <+Kirjava> the name is cool
03:04:34 <+Kirjava> but like
03:04:38 < qq> I know
03:04:42 <%lgarron> Don't confuse face and layer.
03:04:44 <+Kirjava> yeah
03:04:52 < qq> what
03:05:06 <%lgarron> AUF is messy enough.
03:05:14 < qq> hm
03:05:19 <+Kirjava> FBLL / FBOP / FBCE
03:05:49 <+Kirjava> 'FreeB'
03:05:54 <+Kirjava> "freebie"
03:06:25 <+Kirjava> it's just annoying when I want to describe the method I use
03:06:35 < qq> WAIT
03:06:36 <+Kirjava> without explicitly describing it
03:06:36 < qq> freeFOP
03:06:38 < qq> do I win
03:06:51 <+Kirjava> I don't think so :/
03:06:53 < qq> I know you're gonna complain about the OP
03:06:53 < qq> but
03:06:58 < qq> to me that says "like cfop but freestyle"
03:07:07 <+Kirjava> yeah, you're right
03:07:08 <+Kirjava> I like it
03:07:17 <+Kirjava> FreeFOP :D
03:07:27 <+Kirjava> 03:02:27 <+Kirjava> CFOP
03:07:28 <+Kirjava> 03:02:31 <+Kirjava> and FreeBOP
03:07:52 <+Jai> patrick said he would do something
03:07:59 <+Jai> but idk wtf he was gonna do
03:08:00 <+Kirjava> this was a cool conversation
03:08:03 <+Kirjava> someone should post logz..
03:08:08 < qq> I can't do logs
03:08:12 < qq> you should save 'em
03:08:35 <+Jai> <qq> I can't do logs
03:08:40 <+Jai> your stool has no consistency?
03:08:40 <+Jai> :O
03:08:46 < qq> nope
03:08:48 < qq> unfortunately
03:08:51 <+Kirjava> the problem is
03:08:53 <+Kirjava> where to post
03:08:55 <+Kirjava> >_<
03:08:58 <+jtjogobonito> qq: you need fiber
03:08:59 <+Kirjava> there's no
03:09:01 < qq> methods & theory
03:09:03 <+Kirjava> "random cubing" thread
03:09:04 < qq> >_>
03:09:05 <+Kirjava> oh
03:09:06 <+Kirjava> I guess
03:09:09 <+Kirjava> what, in a new thread?
03:09:26 < qq> ya

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I try to recog OLL and CLL and do whichever is easiest. I often manage to intentionally do them both at once, KCLL style.

But ya, I just freestyle it :)
 

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So...many...acronyms...

At one point I got so pissed off at making the first and second blocks that I would do F2L instead of F2B and then do CMLL, followed by CO and then LSE, ignoring the fact that I messed up the M-slice cross pieces.
 

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Used to be "[wiki]Petrus[/wiki]", but that is mabye only when you orient edges the next thing after the 2x2x3 block?

No it didn't? I think you misunderstand what I mean.

Petrus starts with a 2x2x2. This can start with a 2x2x2, 1x2x3, 2x2x3, 1x2x2 groups, Cross, XCross, 4 corners, columns or anything.

Maybe you saw '2x3x3 block' and got confused thinking it said '2x2x3 block'.

I'm not trying to name a new method here, I'm trying to name the way I solve. It's certainly not CFOP and it's certainly not Petrus.
 
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