# Aluminum's Progression thread/Sub 30 3x3/Sub 2 4x4/Working on planing out whole cross/ Sub 65 FMC/ Sub 2 3oh/Learning 3bld/Learning 2x2 pbl/6 TPS

#### Aluminum

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So, I use the MFJS magnetic meilong as my main 3x3, i use beginner cfop, Do you have any tips about how I could get sub 30, or maybe even sub 25 without learning a ton more algorithms?

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#### CT-6666

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Have you already learned how to do F2L. Otherwise this would be a good starting point, I would recommend the Toutorial from Jperm.

#### Imsoosm

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There are a lot of ways to improve on your times, depending on which area you are the worst at.
1. Cross
If you didn't know,any cross can be solved in just 8 turns. It takes a bit of time to fully learn how turns affect other cross edges, but with practice I'm sure you'll get there.
2. First and Second Layers
I don't think you know F2L, so you can improve on turning speed. For beginners' method, these two layers are arguably the easiest step to do. You can also start to work on a little bit of look-ahead, so while you are solving this edge, you keep your eyes on another edge so there won't be any pausing between turns.
3. Last Layer
For 4 look last layer, you can work on faster recognition. For orienting yellow layer, there's really not much to work on except to turn faster. If you want to get a bit serious into cubing, then learn full CFOP. In permuting the last layer, you should not use cube rotations. For example, you have a pair of headlights on the left side of the cube. Don't rotate your cube to the right to solve that headlight, instead, just do U' to bring the headlight in front of you.

These are just a few tips, and I don't know if you use these or not, so hopefully this helps you get to sub-25. I memorized nearly all of CFOP algs, and my average is 13 seconds. However, if you want me to do beginners' method, my average would be 20-25 (that's pretty much the fastest you can get with beginner's) and occasionally I might get sub-20. Good luck

#### Zeke_beke

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I am working towards sub 20 so I do have a few tips practice efficient cross, work to be able to figure out what case you have,and just practice (but that last ones obvious)

#### Aluminum

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There are a lot of ways to improve on your times, depending on which area you are the worst at.
1. Cross
If you didn't know,any cross can be solved in just 8 turns. It takes a bit of time to fully learn how turns affect other cross edges, but with practice I'm sure you'll get there.
2. First and Second Layers
I don't think you know F2L, so you can improve on turning speed. For beginners' method, these two layers are arguably the easiest step to do. You can also start to work on a little bit of look-ahead, so while you are solving this edge, you keep your eyes on another edge so there won't be any pausing between turns.
3. Last Layer
For 4 look last layer, you can work on faster recognition. For orienting yellow layer, there's really not much to work on except to turn faster. If you want to get a bit serious into cubing, then learn full CFOP. In permuting the last layer, you should not use cube rotations. For example, you have a pair of headlights on the left side of the cube. Don't rotate your cube to the right to solve that headlight, instead, just do U' to bring the headlight in front of you.

These are just a few tips, and I don't know if you use these or not, so hopefully this helps you get to sub-25. I memorized nearly all of CFOP algs, and my average is 13 seconds. However, if you want me to do beginners' method, my average would be 20-25 (that's pretty much the fastest you can get with beginner's) and occasionally I might get sub-20. Good luck
Ok, the OLL tips will probably be most important for me. I also will be getting a lubricant soon so that will be good.

#### NigelTheCuber

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how is your average now its been 3 weeks

#### Aluminum

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Sorry forgot to reply!!!!!! anyway, I got a 30.04 a while ago, just was too lazy to post it
Also got this Moyu magnetic cube (full name is moyu meilong 3m magnetic 3x3) and a 5x5 and 6x6 and lunar from speedcubeshop
Also, I DID get my sub-30, with a 25.17 before i got the new cubes, so i could just end this thread, but now my goal will be Sub-25.

#### Aluminum

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Sorry forgot to reply!!!!!! anyway, I got a 30.04 a while ago, just was too lazy to post it
Also got this Moyu magnetic cube (full name is moyu meilong 3m magnetic 3x3) and a 5x5 and 6x6 and lunar from speedcubeshop
Also, I DID get my sub-30, with a 25.17 before i got the new cubes, so i could just end this thread, but now my goal will be Sub-25.
wow aluminum thats alot of also's

#### Aluminum

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Have you already learned how to do F2L. Otherwise this would be a good starting point, I would recommend the Toutorial from Jperm.
yes

#### Aluminum

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25.15!!! New pb by 0.02!

Generated By csTimer on 2022-05-22
single: 25.15

Time List:
1. 25.15 R' B' F2 R U2 B2 R B2 L F2 R F2 L B D' F2 L' R2 D L'

Recon:

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#### OtterCuber

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25.15!!! New pb by 0.02!

Generated By csTimer on 2022-05-22
single: 25.15

Time List:
1. 25.15 R' B' F2 R U2 B2 R B2 L F2 R F2 L B D' F2 L' R2 D L'

Recon:
Good job, otter!

#### Aluminum

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Generated By csTimer on 2022-05-25
single: 24.85

Time List:
1. 24.85 L2 D B2 D' R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 F2 D R U B F2 D' F' R2 D L
ANOTHER PB??

#### Aluminum

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Generated By csTimer on 2022-05-25
single: 24.85

Time List:
1. 24.85 L2 D B2 D' R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 F2 D R U B F2 D' F' R2 D L
ANOTHER PB??
Let me clear this up, in sub 30 i meant a sub 30 single, not average. I keep getting pbs so this will be my progression thread.

#### OtterCuber

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Generated By csTimer on 2022-05-25
single: 24.85

Time List:
1. 24.85 L2 D B2 D' R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 F2 D R U B F2 D' F' R2 D L
ANOTHER PB??
Good job!

#### abunickabhi

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So, I use the Qiyi Warrior S as my main 3x3, i use the beginners method but with 4 look last layer, and i recently got a pb of 35.33 on it. Do you have any tips about how I could get sub 30, or maybe even sub 25 without learning a ton more algorithms?
Try to focus on the thought process during the solve to get faster. You need not turn faster or learn advanced algsets for that.

Good luck!

#### Aluminum

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Try to focus on the thought process during the solve to get faster. You need not turn faster or learn advanced algsets for that.

Good luck!
Thanks!

#### That one sub 20 cuber

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Have you already learned how to do F2L. Otherwise this would be a good starting point, I would recommend the Toutorial from Jperm.
@CT-6666 personally, i think the brody the cuber videos is a lot more concise and easier to learn

#### Aluminum

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@CT-6666 personally, i think the brody the cuber videos is a lot more concise and easier to learn
no its fine i already learned f2l

#### Aluminum

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Let me clear this up, in sub 30 i meant a sub 30 single, not average. I keep getting pbs so this will be my progression thread.
But now i mean average.

#### Aluminum

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Quick question what in my river is NISS for FMC?