# A Roux guide for beginners

#### vince

##### Member
Hi,
I learned CFOP but since the first days I've been interested in Block Building Methods.
Recently I decided to learn Roux too and in order to memorise the steps of the method I collected images and simple algs in a document.
I want to share this pdf hoping someone else (a beginner like me) can switch to this method quickly and see its potential.
Let me know for errors or how to improve the document.
the doc is here

thanks to waffo and the donovan's video tutorials

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#### pipkiksass

##### Member
Very nice doc, thanks. I'm a newbie to CFOP as well, and I've been dabbling in/mess Roux. I've tried a few Roux solves, it seems very easy, but I struggle with planning my blocks. I'm too used to planning cross + first pair with CFOP!

Out of interest, how do your Roux averages compare to your CFOP averages?

#### Clarkeeyyy

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On a slightly more serious note, this is really helpful. Thanks a ton . The only thing I would say is step 4b seems to be made much more confusing than it should be. I think you should remove the algs for that step and describe it like Waffo: Put UL and UR edges in opposite positions of the cube (for example UF and DB), do M' U2 M' and then insert.

#### Snoutmol

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What's the point of Roux if you're already good with Fridrich? Seems like Fridrich is better, anyway. I tried this tutorial, but it seemed like most of the moves were way to tedious and intuitive.

#### o2gulo

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What's the point of Roux if you're already good with Fridrich? Seems like Fridrich is better, anyway. I tried this tutorial, but it seemed like most of the moves were way to tedious and intuitive.
It's always nice to learn and to explore other methods besides that CFOP.

#### cubingawsumness

##### Member
What's the point of Roux if you're already good with Fridrich?
Techniques from block building can improve your f2l and/or cross in CFOP, and it's fun!

Seems like Fridrich is better, anyway.
Mmmm... Depends on the person but "methods don't have speeds" and all that. You should give it a fair chance.

it seemed like most of the moves were way to tedious and intuitive.
Intuitive may not be bad. It may seem difficult in the beginning but gets easier as you practice more. One reason people like this method because of its lower movecount, which can only be achieved if you block build intuitively well.

#### qqwref

##### Member
To be fair, a super-unoptimized beginner's version of Roux *is* slower than Fridrich. But then again, it's slower than real Roux too. Don't consider this guide representative of what a good Roux solver would do.

#### MarcelP

##### Member
Hi,
I learned CFOP but since the first days I've been interested in Block Building Methods.
Recently I decided to learn Roux too and in order to memorise the steps of the method I collected images and simple algs in a document.
I want to share this pdf hoping someone else (a beginner like me) can switch to this method quickly and see its potential.
Let me know for errors or how to improve the document.
the doc is here

thanks to waffo and the donovan's video tutorials
Wow, very nice tutorial!! I will bookmark the link.

#### Smiles

##### Member
at sub-15 with CFOP, i started roux for a little over 2 months and managed to get to a sub-18 session with a PB single of 11.04. (CFOP PB at the time was 9.09)
"methods don't have speeds" i think is very accurate. if you can be sub-x with CFOP, you can be sub-x with Roux, since there seems to be a consensus that both are among the best of methods.

and this was only 2 months. my very first Roux solve was the day those 2 months began, and my first solve was 3:24, with a PB of 1:00 by the end of the day. that was a tiring day.

i'm still not 100% comfortable with roux like i am with CFOP, but after about 1.5 months i was able to get to a solid sub-20 level, and i have gained great respect for the method ever since. i love it. i love H perms and Z perms simply because it feels like Roux.

i have also discovered new inserts and new ways to look at the relationship between pieces in CFOP. also new finger tricks like quicker slice turns, and a better overall understanding and recognition habit of EO and LLCP.

/endrant

#### kunparekh18

##### Member
Very nice guide, layout and presentation is excellent, and the content itself (which matters the most) is very informative.

I don't plan on switching to Roux though

#### arvind1999

##### Member
Do some examples! Definitely not made for people who want to switch!

#### Bestsimple

##### Member
Wow it looks very good however i agree that some examples would be nice.

#### DNFphobia

##### Member
Great guide!
This might help me get back into Roux, but could you add some examples for blockbuilding and/or make add an example solve?

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#### Snoutmol

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Intuitive may not be bad. It may seem difficult in the beginning but gets easier as you practice more. One reason people like this method because of its lower movecount, which can only be achieved if you block build intuitively well.
Lower move count? I must have been doing it wrong, I guess. It took my like 50 moves and tons of mistakes to get the first block.

#### arvind1999

##### Member
Lower move count? I must have been doing it wrong, I guess. It took my like 50 moves and tons of mistakes to get the first block.
WHAT?! First block is the most efficient part! An advanced roux solver's whole solve's movecount would be near 40!
Watch some example solves and you'll get it!

#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
Lower move count? I must have been doing it wrong, I guess. It took my like 50 moves and tons of mistakes to get the first block.
It took you 50 moves to do the first block and you thought this was normal?

#### JonnyWhoopes

Lower move count? I must have been doing it wrong, I guess. It took my like 50 moves and tons of mistakes to get the first block.
wat

God's number for first block is 8. It can usually be done in 6 or 7.

#### Snoutmol

##### Member
wat

God's number for first block is 8. It can usually be done in 6 or 7.
It was probably the only time I've ever done anything intuitive with a cube, other than F2L.

#### jayefbe

##### Member
The first two layers using F2L is generally ~35 moves in a speedsolve. So even if you applied the same F2L techniques for making the first block, which is very inefficient, it should still require only a fraction of that number.