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A Peculiar Progression Thread | PB's Galore

Silky

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This will be a simple progress thread with fortnightly updates. May include reconstructions and videos at some point. See you on the flip side.

Goal: Sub-3.3
Main: Tengyun 2M
Method: Guimond
Overview:

This is a new event for me. I have learned full Ortega thusfar slowly am transitioning into Guimond. I went with Guimond because it's easier to look ahead in inspection and I didn't want to learn 100+ algorithms. Sometime in the future I may want to learn HD-G but we'll see how far I get.
Goal: Sub-15
Main: GTS2 M
Method: Roux
Overview:

Back in the early 2010s I started experimenting with other methods, specifically Petrus, Roux, and Heise. At my peak I was method neutral (~30 seconds) between CFOP, Petrus, and Roux. I found that block building and intuitive solving was extremely rewarding (+ I found that I hated memorizing algs) thus around 2011-2012 permanently switched to Roux and have never looked back. I never ended up learning full C*LL as I would stop cubing in 2012 for what would be 8 years. Since quarantine and my revived interest in cubing I have learned full COLL + 8 CMLL algs (4 U cases and 4 T cases). I went with COLL because I was still considering using Petrus or ZZ for OH and 4x4 and figured that it would help a lot with look ahead between C*LL and EO (which I have found it does, especially for 4x4 parity). Sometime in the future I would like to become colour neutral and or learn NMCLL.
Goal: Sub-57
Main: WuQUe Mini M
Method: Meyer
Overview:

Originally used Redux back in 2010 because that's all I knew. For the first few months of my return I used 4trus (when I was still considering Petrus) but didn't find it very fun (specifically when it came to the transition from reduction to 3x3 stage). Switched to Meyer shortly after and it has been smooth sailing from thereon out. Instead of learning Lucas Parity I learned this algorithm (r U2 r' U2 M' l' U2 r U2 l' U2 r U2 l') which doesn't effect corners. This means that when I preform C*LL I can check for parity (just look for odd number of misoriented edges ) and seamlessly transition into correcting it. I can also predict/cancel into to EO because the algorithm only flips the UF edge and performs a M2.
Goal: Sub-26
Main: Tengyun 3M
Method: Roux
Overview:

This is a new event for me. I for the first month and a half I picked up Petrus as I didn't want to relearn C*LL for Roux. However, I tried a few Roux solves and beat my Petrus PB almost immediately so I decided to just tough it out. M slices are a pain but I find it's one of the easiest events to get into.
Goal: Sub-59
Main: Valk 3M
Method: Orozco
Overiew:

Again, a new event. I honestly don't really know anything about this event coming in because it always seemed too daunting. Even after practicing on and off I find it to be one of the hardest events to get into due to the steep learning curve. That being said, I have ~1:30 split for corners and ~2:30 spit for edge atm (although only one successful solve) so I'm confident in improving. I only know basic OP/OP but will switch to M2 or TuRBo once I get around the 4 minute mark. Down the road I'd like to switch to Orozco and maybe play around with Ayam/freesolving.
Goal: Sub-29
Main: P.G.CO
Method: Heise/2GB
Overview:

Easily my most anticipated event. For me personally, FMC represents the very heart of cubing, beauty, elegance, expression, and challenge. Back in the 2010s I learned Heise for this event but never quite mastered it. For FMC I am going to focus mostly learning Heise and 2GB. Later on I plan to pick up on NISS, Domino Reduction, and psuedo block building. For now I just need to focus on block building and mastering Heise and 2GB. Depending on how far I get I may learn some SSC, HSC, and HTA. For now I'll just keep it simple and focus on consistency.
Goal: Sub-18
Main: Volt V2M
Method: Lin

Another event I'm particularly interested in. Cube shape and parity I find mind bendingly fascinating. Went with Lin because I prefer intuitive solving and block building. I am focusing on intuitive cube shape and short cuts. I'm doubtful I'll ever learn full cube shape or CSP as I don't think they're essential until a very high level.
Goal: Sub-1:22
Main: Galaxy V2M
Method: Petrus

Mixed feeling about this event. I think I am going to prefer this event over 5x5+ events due to the fact that there is direct solving and block building. I'm also kind of unsure about the method I will be learning. I figure Petrus will be the easiest for me ( I can pick up on block building easily and there are only 36 LL cases which is nice ) but am pretty interested in ZZ-Spike. Spike would definitely be a nice challenge as ZZ-EO is a bit mystifying to me. We'll see how I feel when I start it.

Have learned full Ortega and have moved onto Ortega-Guimond ( full face of opposite colours => OLL => seperation => PBL ) hybrid. Have learn 6 Guimond Orientation algorithms. Am consistently sub-7.
Have learned full COLL and 8 CMLL algorithms ( 4 T cases + 4 U cases ). Consistently sub-21.
Learned OLL and PLL parity and 1 edge swap parity. Consistently sub-1:30.
Goal: Sub-26
Main: Tengyun 3M
Method: Roux

Haven't learned any algs, just use 2 look CMLL. Consistently sub-45
Haven't started. I use OP/OP for now. Average 1:30 on corners and 2:30 on edges ( when I do them separately )
Haven't started now basic Heise, Roux, and Petrus.
Have learned full EPLL and Lin CP + FD algorithms. Consistently sub-35.
Haven't started but know beginner's method.
Feeling really confident in 2x2. Two averages, nothing crazy but some solid PBs ( check records tab for updates). Getting closer and closer to sub-5.5. Aiming for 5.5 milestone by next update.

I've been learning some Guimond separation cases the last few weeks as well as the Pi Guimond OLL. I want to get sub-5.5 ( maybe even sub-5 ) before learning all of the cases as I don't want to over rely on algorithms. I'd like to try and plan more in inspection and look into separation when I get an easy full face. I should also get in the habit of tracking. I may be getting a bit ahead of myself even then, probably best to just work on TPS and confidence in my turning ( I often get in the way of myself and stumble over my turning ).
I finally cleaned out and re-lubricated my Weilong, something that has been way overdue ! I feel supper smooth and way faster so I'm excited to grind out some more averages in the future. I didn't do anything crazy the last few weeks, just two sessions. The first was a really good consistency check, no PBs but nothing to complain about. It really reminded me how far I've come since beginning cubing again ( I was previously only barely sub-30 before returning ). However, the second session did not go nearly as well, 22+ average of 25. The average was on my freshly cleaned Weilong, which I haven't been using very often (my first session was on the Tengyun and my overall PB single is on the Wuque ), so hopefully it's just that I need to get used to the cube again.

Right now 3x3 isn't my main focus as I want to get better at a few more events first. Consistency wise I think I just need to focus on smooth solving. I also need to break the habit of starting my 1x2x2 on F and then rotating to finish. For the next few weeks I'll probably take it easy and just try and work on colour neutrality ( Blue/Yellow on D ).
Up until now I've felt I have been improving rather well at 4x4, getting consistently 1:30 and below. However, the last few week say something VERY different. I got an 1:40 average of 12.. Similar to my second session in 3x3 I feel that I have taken one step forward and two steps back. Definitely my worst event the last couple weeks. I only ended up doing one average so lets hope I'm just a bit rusty.

The good news about 4x4 is that there are a tons of areas of improvement. Since it's one of the longer events, for me that is, there a bunch of small time saves/ optimizations I can make ( TPS, FB, centers, edge pairing, lookahead, parity recognition, etc. ). Mainly I think I should just focus on cleaner lookahead and getting better at FB, since it's easily the slowest part of my solve ( I just can't seem to find the pieces ).
Only a single average but pretty decent. Some small PBs but I'm starting to really get frustrated. I feel like I should be sub-30 by now..

Similar to 4x4 there's lots of room for improvement ( Cubeshape, TPS, finger tricks, block building, inspection, etc. ). I think that for right now the best thing to do is transition to intermediate cubeshape; barrel-kite, shield-square, so on and so forth. I also need to work on better finger tricks/TPS for comet ( the beginner case looks like a comet on top and explosion on bottom so that's what I'll be referring to it as ) .
There isn't much to be said about 2x2 since the last update. I haven't learned any new algorithms nor have I made any particular strides time wise. I got a nice PB single and average of 50, so it's nice to see that I'm getting a bit more consistent. As per last update, I think my major issue right now is that I keep fumbling over my own fingers. I need to really just grind algorithms and TPS to build more confidence. For next update I'll try to grind out the algorithms I already know ( instead of learning any new ones ) and maybe do an average of 100.
Since last update, I feel I have redeems myself in 4x4.. kind of. I ground out an average of 50 with mixed results. Overall, my times were very very inconsistent. The beginning of my average showed the same amount of rush from before but I slowly brushed that off and got back to normalish times. I got PB single and average of 5, so I know that I have the ability to be much faster than my average showed. I've gotten slower on 3-2-3 edges pairing but a bit more smooth with first block. I'm also starting to build the first 2 centers on L/R instead of U/D so that I require less rotations, hopefully it pays off. I think for now I should do some slow solves and focus on lookahead between steps, especially first 2 centers -> first block
and centers -> 3-2-3 edge paring.
As per usual, I'm not sure how to feel about square-1. I still feel that I'm slower than I should be but my times say otherwise. Perhaps it's just a mental thing. I'm still transitioning to intermediate cubeshape ( scallop-kite ) which is my main focus. It's challenging, for sure, but well worth it. As per last update, I think that improving my lookahead in inspection will really help. I'll probably need to do more casual solves or solves without inspection time so that I can practice this.
Finally grinded out an average of 100 and boy did it pay off. PBs in everything except single ( although I came within .09 of beating it ). Overall I'm super happy with the results; a ton of consistency, overall. I'm just getting more and more comfortable with 2x2, which is huge ! With just a bit more confidence I should be sub-5.5 in the next 2 weeks. I think the biggest highlight was the sub-5 average of 5 !
Just did a few averages of 25 with blue on bottom. 28.88 average which is decent. Colour neutrality is going to take a while so I'm not too worried. This being said I need to be doing slow solves because my efficiency is significantly worse. Need to get back into solid block build especially for first block.
More PBs ! Consistency was sloppy but the 1:18 average of 5 was amazing. The biggest difference in time really just came down to first block. As lock as I get rid of those really log pauses I should be getting mid to low 1:20s fairly consistently. Still need to work on first block tricks both with looking for the easiest edges to pair ( instead of always starting with the white pair ), incorporating more wide moves ( as well as in centers ), and in general better block building. I also should work on x2/y neutrality.
The PBs just don't stop ! As in 2x2 Pbs in everything but single. I'm finally transitioning into intermediate cubeshape and boy does it pay off. I've been using this as a trainer and I think the results speak for themselves. I still have a long way to go but a sub-30 average of 100 is exactly where I want to be. I finally feel that I'm decent at Square-1 and am very motivated; sub-24 looks like it's just around the corner !

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2x23.324.755.375.96.026.26
3x315.4318.0319.1120.1221.19
4x41:11.851:18.741:26.181:27.851:29.34
OH28.8935.0839.7945.1846.67
BLD
FMC
Square-116.9724.3725.826.2827.5629.12
Megaminx
 
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This will be a simple progress thread with fortnightly updates. May include reconstructions and videos at some point. See you on the flip side.

Goal: Sub-3.3
Main: Tengyun 2M
Method: Guimond
Overview:

This is a new event for me. I have learned full Ortega thusfar slowly am transitioning into Guimond. I went with Guimond because it's easier to look ahead in inspection and I didn't want to learn 100+ algorithms. Sometime in the future I may want to learn HD-G but we'll see how far I get.
Goal: Sub-15
Main: GTS2 M
Method: Roux
Overview:

Back in the early 2010s I started experimenting with other methods, specifically Petrus, Roux, and Heise. At my peak I was method neutral (~30 seconds) between CFOP, Petrus, and Roux. I found that block building and intuitive solving was extremely rewarding (+ I found that I hated memorizing algs) thus around 2011-2012 permanently switched to Roux and have never looked back. I never ended up learning full C*LL as I would stop cubing in 2012 for what would be 8 years. Since quarantine and my revived interest in cubing I have learned full COLL + 8 CMLL algs (4 U cases and 4 T cases). I went with COLL because I was still considering using Petrus or ZZ for OH and 4x4 and figured that it would help a lot with look ahead between C*LL and EO (which I have found it does, especially for 4x4 parity). Sometime in the future I would like to become colour neutral and or learn NMCLL.
Goal: Sub-57
Main: WuQUe Mini M
Method: Meyer
Overview:

Originally used Redux back in 2010 because that's all I knew. For the first few months of my return I used 4trus (when I was still considering Petrus) but didn't find it very fun (specifically when it came to the transition from reduction to 3x3 stage). Switched to Meyer shortly after and it has been smooth sailing from thereon out. Instead of learning Lucas Parity I learned this algorithm (r U2 r' U2 M' l' U2 r U2 l' U2 r U2 l') which doesn't effect corners. This means that when I preform C*LL I can check for parity (just look for odd number of misoriented edges ) and seamlessly transition into correcting it. I can also predict/cancel into to EO because the algorithm only flips the UF edge and performs a M2.
Goal: Sub-26
Main: Tengyun 3M
Method: Roux
Overview:

This is a new event for me. I for the first month and a half I picked up Petrus as I didn't want to relearn C*LL for Roux. However, I tried a few Roux solves and beat my Petrus PB almost immediately so I decided to just tough it out. M slices are a pain but I find it's one of the easiest events to get into.
Goal: Sub-59
Main: Valk 3M
Method: Orozco
Overiew:

Again, a new event. I honestly don't really know anything about this event coming in because it always seemed too daunting. Even after practicing on and off I find it to be one of the hardest events to get into due to the steep learning curve. That being said, I have ~1:30 split for corners and ~2:30 spit for edge atm (although only one successful solve) so I'm confident in improving. I only know basic OP/OP but will switch to M2 or TuRBo once I get around the 4 minute mark. Down the road I'd like to switch to Orozco and maybe play around with Ayam/freesolving.
Goal: Sub-29
Main: P.G.CO
Method: Heise/2GB
Overview:

Easily my most anticipated event. For me personally, FMC represents the very heart of cubing, beauty, elegance, expression, and challenge. Back in the 2010s I learned Heise for this event but never quite mastered it. For FMC I am going to focus mostly learning Heise and 2GB. Later on I plan to pick up on NISS, Domino Reduction, and psuedo block building. For now I just need to focus on block building and mastering Heise and 2GB. Depending on how far I get I may learn some SSC, HSC, and HTA. For now I'll just keep it simple and focus on consistency.
Goal: Sub-18
Main: Volt V2M
Method: Lin

Another event I'm particularly interested in. Cube shape and parity I find mind bendingly fascinating. Went with Lin because I prefer intuitive solving and block building. I am focusing on intuitive cube shape and short cuts. I'm doubtful I'll ever learn full cube shape or CSP as I don't think they're essential until a very high level.
Goal: Sub-1:22
Main: Galaxy V2M
Method: Petrus

Mixed feeling about this event. I think I am going to prefer this event over 5x5+ events due to the fact that there is direct solving and block building. I'm also kind of unsure about the method I will be learning. I figure Petrus will be the easiest for me ( I can pick up on block building easily and there are only 36 LL cases which is nice ) but am pretty interested in ZZ-Spike. Spike would definitely be a nice challenge as ZZ-EO is a bit mystifying to me. We'll see how I feel when I start it.

Have learned full Ortega and have moved onto Ortega-Guimond ( full face of opposite colours => OLL => seperation => PBL ) hybrid. Have learn 6 Guimond Orientation algorithms. Am consistently sub-7.
Have learned full COLL and 8 CMLL algorithms ( 4 T cases + 4 U cases ). Consistently sub-21.
Learned OLL and PLL parity and 1 edge swap parity. Consistently sub-1:30.
Goal: Sub-26
Main: Tengyun 3M
Method: Roux

Haven't learned any algs, just use 2 look CMLL. Consistently sub-45
Haven't started. I use OP/OP for now. Average 1:30 on corners and 2:30 on edges ( when I do them separately )
Haven't started now basic Heise, Roux, and Petrus.
Have learned full EPLL and Lin CP + FD algorithms. Consistently sub-35.
Haven't started but know beginner's method.

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2x23.535.546.756.927.13
3x315.4318.0319.1120.1221.19
4x41:19.481:25.391:26.181:29.321:33.13
OH28.8935.0839.7945.1846.67
BLD
FMC
Square-116.9726.530.832.4435.49
Megaminx
Wow, you use a lot like a lot of methods, makes my a bit jealous and wanting to try out a few more methods like 2GB, SSC and HSC (not HTA cuz I already tried that, domino reduction during a speedsolve is a nightmare lol) and practice them a little bit like doing an ao50 for 3x3 but good luck! and, I'm also almost method neutral :p
 
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Wow, you use a lot like a lot of methods, makes my a bit jealous and wanting to try out a few more methods like 2GB, SSC and HSC (not HTA cuz I already tried that, domino reduction during a speedsolve is a nightmare lol) and practice them a little bit like doing an ao50 for 3x3 but good luck! and, I'm also almost method neutral :p
Thanks! I'm not using 2GB, HSC, SSC, or HTA for speedsolving so it isn't that impressive ( plus I haven't even started learning most of the methods yet ). Check out this post for some really interesting methods. Of the methods listed above, SSC has the most potential for speedsolving ( shadowslice used the EZD variant to achieve sub-13 averages ). SSC is beaming with potential and IMO could go toe to toe with the Big 4 ( as well as Waterman, PCMS, and LMCF ).
 
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I mean the original post’s amount of writing :)
Tyty. I wanted to write more but I got lazy. I'm trying my best to keep a as detailed log as possible so that (a) there's more engagement in the tread, (b) anyone who uses this as a basis for improvement will have a better foundation, and (c) that I may catch blindspots/weaknesses in my own improvement ( the more knowledge I acquire about the knowledge I acquire the more I can acquire knowledge ).
 

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First Fortnightly Update is out. Check OP for details.
A few notes:

Over the next two weeks I would really like to work on BLD. I have splits on corners/edges but I need to start working on full solves. My issue thusfar is that I've been to afraid to fail. I really just need to get over it and get used to getting slow times and DNFs, I'll improve with time.

For OH I'm going to be taking a substantial hiatus. I'm really conflicted method wise as I don't want to relearn CMLL for OH, I'd much rather learn a new alg set. At the same time Roux is my fastest OH method even with knowing 0 CMLL cases ( for reference I knew half of the PLLs for Petrus and still beat 2 months of PBs in two weeks with 2 look Roux ). I though about LLOB/ZB Roux but just came to the conclusion it's a worse version of Roux ( for it to be as efficient as vanilla Roux you need to learn full ZBLL, plus you can't really use phasing like in ZZ and Petrus to cut back on algorithms ). I've briefly thought about ZZ for OH but I'm not great at EO or ZZF2L. However, ZZ-LOL is very similar to Lin and you can use some advance techniques, specifically psuedo-block building and phasing, which could be a nice challenge.

This first update was very slow moving but I'm going to do some weekly SSF and Cubetime comps. It helps to give me motivation for consistent practice and in general keeps me on track ( plus it helps with nerves and builds more confident solving) . I may add a section for comp records as well. We'll see..

Catch you on the flip side !
 

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First Fortnightly Update is out. Check OP for details.
A few notes:

Over the next two weeks I would really like to work on BLD. I have splits on corners/edges but I need to start working on full solves. My issue thusfar is that I've been to afraid to fail. I really just need to get over it and get used to getting slow times and DNFs, I'll improve with time.

For OH I'm going to be taking a substantial hiatus. I'm really conflicted method wise as I don't want to relearn CMLL for OH, I'd much rather learn a new alg set. At the same time Roux is my fastest OH method even with knowing 0 CMLL cases ( for reference I knew half of the PLLs for Petrus and still beat 2 months of PBs in two weeks with 2 look Roux ). I though about LLOB/ZB Roux but just came to the conclusion it's a worse version of Roux ( for it to be as efficient as vanilla Roux you need to learn full ZBLL, plus you can't really use phasing like in ZZ and Petrus to cut back on algorithms ). I've briefly thought about ZZ for OH but I'm not great at EO or ZZF2L. However, ZZ-LOL is very similar to Lin and you can use some advance techniques, specifically psuedo-block building and phasing, which could be a nice challenge.

This first update was very slow moving but I'm going to do some weekly SSF and Cubetime comps. It helps to give me motivation for consistent practice and in general keeps me on track ( plus it helps with nerves and builds more confident solving) . I may add a section for comp records as well. We'll see..

Catch you on the flip side !
why are you learning coll for roux cmll is way better
 

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why are you learning coll for roux cmll is way better
There's a few reasons. When I was returning to speedcubing I was playing around with petrus a lot so I decided to go with COLL so that I could learn both. COLL is overall more useful because it can be implemented in all of the Big 4 + a bunch of other method ( IMO COLL is overall the besst alg set you can learn in general ).

Personally I don't think CMLL is way better than COLL. At least half of CMLL is COLL already( and I have already learn full COLL ). Efficiency wise they're about the same average move count given you use Kian's spreadsheet. One advantage of COLL is that it preserves EO which means that looking ahead becomes much easier ( plus edge permutation for BD + FD if you want to do some fancy EO + UR/UL ). Since I'm a relatively slow turning look ahead becomes more important/useful. If you learn how each COLL effects permutation you can predict EO during COLL. The last reason I use it is because I use Meyer and ( if you look at my 4x4 section under goals ) COLL allows you to predict parity much faster as I can be done during COLL.

I have learned 8 CMLL cases ( 4 U + 4 T ) which I consider to be the worst cases ( specifically efficiency wise ). Maybe if I was learning from scratch I'd go for CMLL but as I stand I think COLL fits me the best, all things considered.
 
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Second Fortnightly Update is out. Check OP for details.
Notes:

A note on punctuality. This is the second update in a row that I have been late, which I'm unhappy about. I plan to post promptly on Sept 15, help hold me accountable.

I have recently come to a consensus regarding OH. I have finally settled on learning Souxp for OH here-on-out. I think that it's a very good balance since I still get to keep that progress of Roux while also learning a new algorithm set ( 6CO/6CP ). I was very lucky that @Devagio generated these algs for the Mehta Method so that I didn't have to. I'm really excited to test out and develop my own method ! On the topic of methods, I actually accidentally created a new method. I'll add a tab later for both of these methods with example solves.

Final note. Although, since last update, I haven't done any forum comps, moving forward I plan to do at least one every week. I'll add a another tab to track progress on that as well.

Catch you on the flip side !
 

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Third Fortnightly Update is out. Check OP for details.
Notes:

So this update is a week late but definitely worth it. Lots of PBs ! I've been rather busy so I don't have a ton to say but I'm feeling pretty motivated. For next update I just want to release it on time and continue consistent practice.

Catch you on the flip side !
 
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