# 5x5x5 edge help

#### EvanCahill

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I need help orienting and permutating the 4 edge pieces in the 3rd layer of 5x5 cube. Does anyone know a single algorithm that can be used in any scenario to permutate and orient all/some of the 4 middle edge pieces in the 3rd layer of a 5x5? I realize the cube might have to be held differently or the 3rd layer positioned correctly to apply the algorithm. Someone gave me two different algorithm sets and was wondering if there was an easier way for every 3rd layer edge alignment. Thanks and the algorithms below are the ones someone suggested to me.

However, below are two algorithms you need to solve these 4 edges.
z 3R2 U2 3R2 U2 z' (adjacent 2 2-cycle)
z F2 3R2 U2 3R2 U2 F2 z' (diagonal 2 2-cycle)

In addition, you will need to solve three edges in the middle layer in some solves.
z 3R U2 3R' U2 z' (3-cycle)
z U2 3R U2 3R' z' (3-cycle) (the inverse of the first 3-cycle

#### EvanCahill

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I am talking about all the different permutation and orientation situations for the 3rd layer edges.

#### natezach728

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We can't tell what you are talking about, because no one uses the "method" you are using. Everyone either uses redux, hoya, yau5, cage, or even like, k5 or something.

#### Wylie28

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are you trying to do a layer by layer solve on a 5x5? If such a method exists it sounds very inefficient and hard to learn just solve it with reduction

#### AlphaSheep

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All the algs you gave are commutators. Edge commutators for a 5x5 are really easy to come up with for pretty much any case. It doesn't matter what method you're using.

Watch this video:

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#### EvanCahill

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I am trying to use the cage method, but have been unable to solve the 3rd layer edges.