Caleb/spooderskewb
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I’m looking for a following to get 2x2 blindfolded into the wca
The thing is 2BLD (done the fastest) would add basically nothing to the wca event roster as it would essentially just be 2x2.
I have to add that I agree with you, a lot more really fast solves that we see in weekly comp would go away.I feel pretty much the same way other people above me have; the one thing I might like to see (just for the data) is what this event would be like if it properly followed the same rules for BLD as 3BLD (as is supposed to happen with our online weekly competition 2BLD event): start the timer, then remove the cover and start inspection. I would love to see if it's actually possible for people to get results like the ones we've often seen in the weekly competition. Somehow I suspect we'd see a lot fewer sub-3 and sub-4 solves in WCA competition than we've been seeing in the online weekly competition. Although I guess with the nod-don that has become so popular, it might be more possible than I think. Anyway it would be nice to run the experiment, even if only as a non-official event, just to see how fast people can really do all of that (inspection, donning the blindfold, solving).
The judge has to wait until the person starts turning, so yeah, that might be an issue.Another thing with nod-donning the blindfold or just pulling the blindfold down in general, it's really hard to make sure that it's all the way down/get the divider between the solver's eyeline and the cube. Cheating would be really quick.
In Jack's recent BLD solve videos, the judge *waits* a second or two before using the divider. A 2x2 solve could be done completely before the blocker is in and, as mentioned above, it would be really hard to make sure that the blindfold was all the way on.
This is a really good point. This would amount to a situation very similar to that of judging for Magic and Master Magic; if we were to add the event, there's a good chance it would just be discontinued shortly thereafter for similar reasons to the main reason that Magic and Master Magic were dropped: inconsistency in judging. A judge for 2BLD would need to be really excellent at the job in order for the result to be trustworthy.Another thing with nod-donning the blindfold or just pulling the blindfold down in general, it's really hard to make sure that it's all the way down/get the divider between the solver's eyeline and the cube. Cheating would be really quick.
In Jack's recent BLD solve videos, the judge *waits* a second or two before using the divider. A 2x2 solve could be done completely before the blocker is in and, as mentioned above, it would be really hard to make sure that the blindfold was all the way on.
This is a really good point. This would amount to a situation very similar to that of judging for Magic and Master Magic; if we were to add the event, there's a good chance it would just be discontinued shortly thereafter for similar reasons to the main reason that Magic and Master Magic were dropped: inconsistency in judging. A judge for 2BLD would need to be really excellent at the job in order for the result to be trustworthy.
There are probably ways to solve the problem, using fancier blinding equipment which the competitor has to put in place themselves before starting to make moves, but that would probably make the event cost-prohibitive to hold. While it is an interesting thought experiment, it seems unlikely 2BLD could ever be a practical official competition event.
I’m looking for a following to get 2x2 blindfolded into the wca
you do have a pointAfter watching Stanley Chapel's 1:10 4BLD attempt, it becomes quite clear that, for any WR attempt at 2BLD with current rules, it is unlikely that the judge would be able to get the divider in place before the 2BLD solve is already complete. For Stanley's attempt, it took the judge well over 2 seconds to put the divider in place; world-class solves would already be done by then.
The main difference would be that with 2BLD, memo would be included in the time, whereas in 2x2 it is done during inspection. Plus, the competitor must lift the cover and don the blindfold, which at the highest level will take significant time and lead to more reliance on tricks like nod-don.There is virtually no difference between 2BLD and 2x2 at the highest level.
World class 2x2 solvers can 1-look a solution at least as fast as it takes world class blders to memo. Conventional bld methods are objectively garbage for 2bld. They have no advantage over speedsolving methods.I would expect the normal BLD approach to give fast memo and longer execution, whereas 2x2 one-looking would give faster execution but probably longer memo. It would be interesting to see how techniques develop to speed up inspection for one-looking, and whether different or hybrid methods emerge.
I'd guess that a world class BLDer could orient and memo 2BLD in 2-3 seconds. I have no idea how many world class 2x2 solvers are capable of pushing their inspection to the 2-3 second range, but with today's 15 second inspection they don't have to, so I would further guess that many of them have not really tried.World class 2x2 solvers can 1-look a solution at least as fast as it takes world class blders to memo.
BLD execution would of course be way less efficient so if a 2x2 solver really can memo as fast as a BLDer then obviously they have the advantage.Conventional bld methods are objectively garbage for 2bld. They have no advantage over speedsolving methods.
You do know that they spend their inspection looking for the fastest solution instead of checking the first one and going with it, right?I'd guess that a world class BLDer could orient and memo 2BLD in 2-3 seconds. I have no idea how many world class 2x2 solvers are capable of pushing their inspection to the 2-3 second range, but with today's 15 second inspection they don't have to, so I would further guess that many of them have not really tried.