# [Unofficial]12.99 avg5 Method Neutral

#### mDiPalma

##### Member

ZZ (10.97) U' B L R2 D L2 F R U F2 R' L' U' B2 D2 L B F2 D' R2 F2 D' U L U'
Petrus 11.95 D' B' U2 B2 D2 F' U B' L D' R' B2 L' R B' U R2 U2 D' R2 F B U' R2 F'
ZZ 12.63 R U L U' B U F' R' U2 F' R' B2 L2 B2 D2 R' D' U2 R2 B F' D' R' U F'
CFOP 14.39 D2 F R' D' L' D R' D2 B D U2 B L F B2 R2 B L2 U' L2 F' L U' F2 L
Petrus (15.25) R' F U2 F2 R' L2 F2 R D' B' F D2 B F' L2 R2 D' L U' L F2 R2 U F R

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#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
cool I should do this

#### Ross The Boss

##### Member
i've thought alot about trying to be method nutreal. i practise cfop quite a bit because it is what i do after reduction.

#### erikoui

##### Member
this might be the way to sub-7 averages... but it will require a lot of practice

#### porkynator

##### Member
There was a time when I was method neutral too (ZZ and CFOP). I did a sub-14 avg100, it was my PB back then. But it was too time-consuming, so I stopped practising CFOP and I only went on with ZZ (I'm a bit better now, around sub-13).
This average is really nice, go on with method neutrality if you have enough time for it!
Have you tried FreeFOP (Block-building F2L + OLL + PLL)? I think it can suit you better than normal CFOP, considering your times with Petrus.

#### emolover

##### Member
Try doing an average of 5 with the big 4 and another method of your choice.

#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
Try doing an average of 5 with the big 4 and another method of your choice.
More like this plz.

#### emolover

##### Member
Average of 5: 24.20
1. (13.51)[CFOP] L2 F' D2 B F R2 B' U2 B D2 U2 L B R2 U2 F U L2 F' R' U
2. 29.45[Petrus] U' R2 F2 D' L2 D R2 U B2 F2 L2 F L B' U' R' B' L' R2 B2
3. (48.01)[Roux] R2 U2 F2 U' L2 B2 R2 U B2 U L2 F U L B2 L2 U L U' R'
4. 22.48[ZZ] R2 U' B2 L2 D U2 B2 U' L2 R2 D R' U' L2 R F R' D B2 F L'
5. 20.68[Columns] B L2 F L2 U2 B' D2 U2 B' L2 R B2 L U' B D' U' B2 F L2 F2

Boy do I suck now, this is my first time touching a 3x3 in... I don't know how long. I sorta forgot roux a little bit.

#### mDiPalma

##### Member
This average is really nice, go on with method neutrality if you have enough time for it!
Have you tried FreeFOP (Block-building F2L + OLL + PLL)? I think it can suit you better than normal CFOP, considering your times with Petrus.
One thing I don't like about FreeFOP is the tendency of my solves to go 2x2x2>2x2x3>awkwardly finish F2L>F sexy F'>COLL>EPLL. It just seems like a senseless waste of moves. I'm sure if I knew full OLL, I wouldn't have this problem.

Try doing an average of 5 with the big 4 and another method of your choice.
When doing these types of solves, I usually stick to ZZ and Petrus. I only do CFOP when I can't quickly find a good 2x2x2 and I have >8 bad edges or an ugly eoline.

Also I hate everything about the Roux method, so if I had to pick 5 methods, I'd probably do ZZ, Petrus, CFOP, TFM, and Old Pochmann or something.

#### CubeRoots

##### Member
One thing I don't like about FreeFOP is the tendency of my solves to go 2x2x2>2x2x3>awkwardly finish F2L>F sexy F'>COLL>EPLL. It just seems like a senseless waste of moves. I'm sure if I knew full OLL, I wouldn't have this problem.

When doing these types of solves, I usually stick to ZZ and Petrus. I only do CFOP when I can't quickly find a good 2x2x2 and I have >8 bad edges or an ugly eoline.

Also I hate everything about the Roux method, so if I had to pick 5 methods, I'd probably do ZZ, Petrus, CFOP, TFM, and Old Pochmann or something.
y u no roux? :/

#### qqwref

##### Member
5 method thingy, pretty good solves overall:

Average of 5: 14.03
1. (9.84[CFOP]) F2 R2 U' R2 U L2 D L2 R2 D2 L2 B L R2 D2 B2 R' D' R B2 R2
2. (17.22[Petrus]) U2 F' U2 F D2 B2 U2 F' R2 B L2 R' F' D R U2 L' F U R U2
3. 13.23[ZZ] L' F2 U2 R2 D2 L' U2 L' U2 F2 R U R' F D2 B2 D L F' L2
4. 16.29[Roux] D2 R2 B2 D2 L2 D' L2 U2 R2 U' B2 F' L F U' L2 D2 F' D' B' R'
5. 12.58[Columns] B2 D F L2 F' U R2 B R' L2 D F2 U' B2 U R2 U2 L2 F2 U

#### coulenez

##### Member
I find Roux is a bit harder to get used to, compared to any of those 3 methods (ZZ/Petrus/CFOP) when you know the 2 others.
It doesn't quite look like LBL.

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#### Hershey

##### Guest
Just did this.

Average of 5: 19.87
1. (10.74) [CFOP] U L2 R2 D2 F2 B2 L D B R2 F2 R2 B F' U R F2 D' R B D' L' F2 B' L'
2. 22.99 [Petrus] F L' R' U2 F B' U R2 F L' U2 F U B' R2 L F U' D2 F' B2 D2 B2 F2 D'
3. 20.67 [Roux] L' F B' L' D2 U2 F2 B' U2 D F' R' L F' D B2 D2 L R F2 D' F D F L2
4. 15.96 [FreeFop] B2 L D2 B2 U' B' U2 F2 R F' R L D U' R2 B' L' F' U F2 R' F' U' B2 L
5. (31.37) [Corners First] L F B' U D R2 F' L' B2 L F2 L2 R D F2 D' B2 D U L U L' D L D

#### ottozing

##### Platinum Member
11.602[CFOP], 20.262[Roux], 15.216[Petrus], 16.007[CFCE], 15.085[ZZ]

number of times: 5/5
best time: 11.602
worst time: 20.262

current avg5: 15.436 (σ = 0.41)
best avg5: 15.436 (σ = 0.41)

session avg: 15.436 (σ = 0.41)
session mean: 15.634

ZZ: 14.92
CFOP: 17.88
Roux: 17.00
Petrus: 21.65
RouxZZ: 18.74

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#### Bof J

##### Guest
CFOP | 43.61 | U B' F D2 U' R L F U2 F' D' R' F' B' D2 L2 U R' L B2 U2 B2 L D' F'
Petrus | 1:11.38 | L' R2 F U D' R2 D2 F B' L2 D2 B2 L B2 D' L' R U2 B' F2 L' D U' R' B
ZZ | 1:16.07 | R' U' F2 L' B F' L' R' D2 R2 F D2 B' U' B' L B2 F R B' F L' F' L2 R
Columns | 1:26.82 | R' F U B R B2 L D U F U R2 B F' U R F' R2 F U' B2 L F' U L
TFM | 1:15.91 | F2 D' R F L' F' U' L2 D' L U F' R2 L2 D' U R2 F B R2 U2 B' F2 U' F

1:14.45 avg5

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#### porkynator

##### Member
Why not Heise as 5th method? It's not hard to be sub-30 and I think it's sub-20-able (on average).

#### qqwref

##### Member
Heise gives you too many options and requires too much thought. Columns first is far superior for speed purposes.