[Help Thread] ZBLL discussion

[irontwig]

Considering that you basically don't need to do OLL, but at the cost of recognizing ZBLL, doing EO and having to be able to execute hundreds instead of dozens of alg, something like half a second saved at world class speed.

 

[cashis]

I'd say definitely low 5, very high 4 averages

nah, recognition for ZBLL is a *****. takes a good solid second to recognize the case, then another to execute. The only way this is possible is if you're just as comfortable with ZBLL as you are with PLL, and I think that's a very, very difficult task, maybe one that's not even possible.

 

[quickalt]

nah, recognition for ZBLL is a *****. takes a good solid second to recognize the case, then another to execute. The only way this is possible is if you're just as comfortable with ZBLL as you are with PLL, and I think that's a very, very difficult task, maybe one that's not even possible.

I'm pretty sure that's what "full potential" covers.

 

[cashis]

I'm pretty sure that's what "full potential" covers.

maybe so, but I'm saying I don't think it's full potential may even be possible.

 

[Bindedsa]

maybe so, but I'm saying I don't think it's full potential may even be possible.

I think it's possible. I've done some ZBLL recog timing(no inspection of course) and I average about 0.6-0.8 and I still feel I have a ways to go.

 

[4Chan]

To piggyback, it's totally possible.
With systems, tricks, and extrapolation, recognition's not even an issue.


The biggest issue is nice algs.

 

[OLLiver]

I am going to learn ZBLL, I finished COLL a week ago, I did a avg of 100 on COLL recognition and execution, was 4.15 seconds.
My question is should I work on COLL more before I start ZBLL or start ZBLL right now?

 

[scottishcuber]

I am going to learn ZBLL, I finished COLL a week ago, I did a avg of 100 on COLL recognition and execution, was 4.15 seconds.
My question is should I work on COLL more before I start ZBLL or start ZBLL right now?

start ZBLL

 

[cashis]

Is there a guide on recognizing edges? Or just wing it?
(or can someone help me)

 

[OLLiver]

You need to first rec COLL case, then you look at one corner and the relationship between the two edges, look at simon swansons PDF of ZBLL, he explains it well

 

[cashis]

You need to first rec COLL case, then you look at one corner and the relationship between the two edges, look at simon swansons PDF of ZBLL, he explains it well

Yeah I can do COLL. Where can I find that PDF?

 

[4Chan]

I think it might be this.

 

[OLLiver]

I think it might be this.

yes thats the one
also

I am a keen follower of your le elegance du cube blog , I think your right about ZBLL, its the future, today I had a COLL case where I recognised the edge permutation, and I solved the entire LL in 2.6 seconds lol, I think ZBLL just gets put down by everyone who is too afraid of learning it, well we shall show them eh old sport?
within the next 4 days I will start memorising the ZBLL Algorithms ! woo I Am so excited lol

 

[4Chan]

I'm honoured to have a reader!

Nice job and good luck!

 

[cashis]

Thanks for that link. I'm learning the pi and H cases soon and might do zz blah

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

What is the difference between ZZLL and ZBLL?

 

[Cale S]

What is the difference between ZZLL and ZBLL?

ZZLL is a subset of ZBLL where two edges are oppositely permuted. If you force this during F2L (called phasing), the number of LL cases is reduced from 494 to 167.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

ZZLL is a subset of ZBLL where two edges are oppositely permuted. If you force this during F2L (called phasing), the number of LL cases is reduced from 494 to 167.

So just like "PLL parity looking cases"

 

[OLLiver]

Me here again.

1,
So I'm into day 11 of ZBLL, I have learnt 24 Algorithms, however I am having trouble remembering each ALG, especially the ones that I started with. my question is how to get such a large number of algs into muscle memory? I have had to stop to go over them again. Is 4-6 per day too many to learn?

also does anyone know of a scrambler that will only give T set ZBLL scrambles? Or if not how to practice the algs better?

 

[4Chan]

One of the things I did when I was learning individual subsets was to set them up whilst doing tons of solves.

So if an L/U/Pi/H/S case popped up, I'd just do a sune/antisune and turn it into a T.
Back then, I'd have one set for each day of the week. So only T cases Sunday, only U cases Monday, etc etc.

Once you figure out which angle to do the sune/antisune to get the case you want, it's relatively fast. Good luck!