[Help Thread] Yau4 Discussion

Discussion in 'Cubing Help & Questions' started by Robert-Y, Feb 4, 2011.

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  1. For OLL parity you can predict how many edges are flipped essentially so you can do that during the last F3L pair.

    PLL parity is a bit harder and in honesty, I don't really need to cause I use modified Yau so have a Roux 3x3 stage so it is easier for me to see PLL parity coming so I'm not sure how to do it for CFOP.
  2. EsolverB

    EsolverB Member

    Feb 17, 2016
    Ok I will try thanks
  3. One Wheel

    One Wheel Member

    Feb 24, 2016
    I've got a bad solve for critique. My camera isn't so good, and my setup is worse, so I apologize for the video quality. I know a lot of what I'm doing wrong (pauses/look ahead), but I figure there might be something I'm missing and it's better to get feedback sooner rather than later. I'm sometimes absolutely terrible at finding pieces, and sometimes just bad. I'm hoping that will come with practice, but specific practice strategy suggestions wouldn't be out of place. My goal right now is to make the 1:30 cutoff for the Clocks N' Other Stuff 2016 competition on April 30, which I realize is most likely quixotic, but I'm going to try to get close anyway.

    I've done 8 solves this afternoon. Times:
    3:06.05 (video)
    2:50.70 (double parity)
    2:24.50 (pb)
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 7, 2016
  4. One Wheel

    One Wheel Member

    Feb 24, 2016
    I figured out how to time splits more reliably. I just did 5, and this is the result:

    First two centers:
    11.71, 12.07, 12.87, 12.10, 12.29 = 12.21

    3 cross edges:
    14.27, 23.68, 25.34, 34.54, 27.84 = 25.13

    4 centers:
    24.89, 36.69, 21.82, 24.44, 30.24 = 27.62

    Last cross edge:
    11.68, 8.22, 9.47, 11.74, 3.56 = 8.93 Last one just needed a U2 to put it in place. Or maybe it was backwards and I put it in with U L F'.

    Edge pairing:
    33.24, 23.43, 35.46, (52.69 with f2l), 35.52 = 31.91

    24.82, (messed up the timer), 20.88, (messed up the timer), 20.5 = 22.07

    Last layer:
    35.27, (messed up the timer), 16.99, 31.73, 21.68 = 26.42 Variation due to parity.

    Total times:
    2:35.91, 2:47.98, 2:22.86, 2:47.94, 2:31.67 = 2:38.51

    So where do I stand to gain the most?
  5. ryanj92

    ryanj92 Member

    Dec 26, 2011
    Sheffield, UK
    i'd say first 3 cross edges and last edge especially in your example video, you don't seem very confident with those steps! you can really tell the difference between those steps and edge pairing where you seem to know what you're doing.

    i'd do a bunch of untimed solves just making the first 2 centers and 3 cross edges and try and familiarize yourself with the method a little more :)
  6. One Wheel

    One Wheel Member

    Feb 24, 2016
    Thanks! Would it be worthwhile to drop color neutrality for the time being, just so I don't have to think as much about color scheme and which pieces I'm looking for when I'm building my cross edges? At this point I'm looking for the easiest two centers to solve to start, and then watching for the most obvious edge containing one of those colors to start my cross. Ultimately I think that's not a bad scheme, but should I muscle through and stick with that, or would I be better off to simplify until I'm better at tracking pieces?
  7. sqAree

    sqAree Member

    Jun 10, 2015
    When I do L4C I have my already solved centers on the left and the right to be able to finish L4C using only U and R based moves which I think is fast. I noticed that seems to be quite standard.

    Now I tried to explain someone that having the already solved centers on top and bottom and using L and U based moves to solve L4C is slower but couldn't find a good explanation.

    So, am I right, and if yes, why exactly?
  8. Ok, I've got the steps of yau down and now I average 2:45ish, The slowest part of my solve is solving the last 4 centers, Any help/tips that anyone can give me?
  9. xyzzy

    xyzzy Member

    Dec 24, 2015
    1. Know your colour scheme.
    2. Loads of practice.
    2:45 is pretty slow, so if you're already familiar with your colour scheme and you've practised a lot and you're still averaging 2:45, you're probably doing something wrong.

    Note that you don't need high tps to get to sub-1:30 with Yau; if you use around 160 moves, then a consistent 2 tps gets you to 1:20 average.

    Also, protip: Ignore the times you get on the timer and just play with the cube. Realistically speaking, getting to sub-minute is not going to be possible within a few weeks, even if you fix whatever you're doing wrong now. Even getting to sub-1:30 is a bit of a stretch (but not impossible!). I don't know what the cutoff for your next comp is, but you shouldn't be too disappointed if you fail to meet it. Instead, focus on improving enough for the comp after that.
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2017
  10. AMCuber

    AMCuber Member

    Jun 6, 2017
    I just learned reduction for 4x4 and I average 4 mins but I have some trouble being fluid with edge pairing. Anyway, how long should I use reduction before I learn Yau?
  11. Sajwo

    Sajwo Member

    Sep 25, 2011
    you may have problems with Yau centers, practice them till you can sub30 and then switch
  12. One Wheel

    One Wheel Member

    Feb 24, 2016
    Edge pairing is easier with Yau. I honestly don't see any reason to wait. I switched to Yau when I was around 3:30.
  13. SpeedySloth

    SpeedySloth Member

    May 13, 2017
    Yau is very easy to learn. I'd start learning the concepts now, then eventually switch fully.
  14. about 3 weeks ago I learned yau, I previously averaged 58 with reduction and now average 1:07 with yau, when will my times return to normal?
  15. Ordway Persyn

    Ordway Persyn Member

    Sep 24, 2014
    Mimal the Elf's boot
    spaz cuber
    If I can remember back to those days, it was not very long, maybe 2ish weeks? I was averaging about 2 minutes when I switched so I don't know if you could expect the same.

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