The "Square-1 Help / Alg Sharing" thread

Discussion in 'Cubing Help & Questions' started by Jokerman5656, Jul 26, 2012.

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  1. Jokerman5656

    Jokerman5656 Catch Me If You Can

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    This thread is here to help all of you fella's that are looking to get some tips for the Square-1, also it is here for people to ask and share algs and methods they use. If you post in this thread and aren't getting a reply within a few days then feel free to message me and I'll do my best to get you some assisstance.

    I will also try to keep up to date with all the links posted in this thread and compile them in this first post for you guys. Play nice.

    *Links*

    Sq1 Tutorial
    Sq1 Cubeshape
    Sq1 Lookahead
    Forcing good U's
    PBL via 2 CP algs
    Shape
    EP
    "PLL"
    Simon Crawfords EP thread
    Andrew Nelson's CP thread
    Cubezone by Lars Vandenbergh
    Sq1 algs needed for CP parity
    Square-1 "PLL" Recognition
    A Comprehensive website on Square-1
    Square-1 back to a cube
    Sarah Strong's Sq1 algs
    Sq1 AO
    Sq1 Cubeshape
     
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  2. blade740

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  4. sa11297

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    Well I am pretty bad at sq 1. I do cubeshape by matching all the edges together, and then I do a couple if moves and its in the cubeshape. From there I orient the corners. (should I bother to put the corners such that they are correctly oriented or not?) Then I orient the edges using one of two algorithms multiple times. ( one that swaps one on the bottom layer with one on the top and one that swaps UF with DF and UB with DB) Where can I find the best EO algs? Then I do one of the CP cases I have learned from lars' site. Next I do EP which is usually doing the alg that swaps UR with UB and Dr with DB. Sometimes I will do M2 U2 M2, and of course i finish with parity. So what should I start improving? cubeshape, EO, or EP?
    EDIT: I read blade740's tutorial and I plan on learning the 5 algs that he posted for cubeshape. What averages can I expect to obtain with the method blade740 shows?
     
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  5. drewsopchak

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    How do you do M2 on SQ-1? Do you mean /?
     
  6. vcuber13

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  7. blade740

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    It really depends on how much you practice. Using the method posted there, and no more, it's certainly feasible to average sub20 without learning anything else.

    As for what to improve: EO is an easy choice, since there are only a few algs to learn in order to do it 1-look. Cubeshape is the sort of thing that you learn gradually with lots of solves, sorta like cross on 3x3, or maybe intuitive F2L. And EP... well, just learn a few EPs at a time until you know them all.
     
  8. Czery

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    HELP!
    How I get sub 20? (consistently)



    Urgh.
     
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  9. Cheese11

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    Hey everyone!

    Did anyone use this site to get fast?
     
  10. Neo63

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    Yay Canadian
    sorry, back on topic. Yeah I started off with Lars' site, partially because there weren't that many resources when I started in 2008, and partially because I wasn't very good at finding websites (I don't think I found speedsolving then...)
    Lars is the one that came up with the square-1 speedsolving method that almost everyone uses nowadays, but just like Jessica Fridrich, his algs are outdated. It's still a good site to get the concept down, but I suggest looking at threads that people posted above, particularly MTGjumper and pkFeng's EP algs which I found to be very useful.

    I like the style of the movie :p
    I was going to comment on how you take too long to recognize CP, then I realized you use parity CP (I think...) anyway I still think you can make that step a bit faster. I subconsciously recognize parity when I do CP but I use normal vandenbergh method. A good way I think would be to count how many "blocks" of corner+edge are solved before doing CP, and that way you can easily figure out whether you have parity on each layer or not.
     
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  11. Cheese11

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    Heh heh, Canadians are awesome.

    I remember back in 2007 the resources I could find on cubing were Dan Browns tut and Rob(lot's-o-numbers) tut. I didn't even know what speedsolving was until a friend introduced me to Roux. Back on topic; I just learnt square-1 and I just learnt the necessary algs off of the site I posted and I'm starting to learn some more of them. Now I'm averaging about 1:30 and it's pretty much all I'm practicing.
     
  12. Czery

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    Hmm... Now that you mentioned it, I actually do pause a lot during CP. I actually have no method of identifying parity on separate layers.
    Using blocks seems like a good idea if there are blocks at all. The Q, E, X cases aren't blocked at all and recognition is nasty on those. I think Andrew wrote something about it somewhere...
     
  13. vcuber13

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    look at an edge corner edge, if there are 2 or 4colours its parity, if three its good
     
  14. rubixwiz031

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    Heres the parity I use:
    /, (-3, -3,) /, (3, 0), /, (-3, -3), /, (2, 0), /, (-4, 2), / (4, 2), /, (1, 0), / (-3, -3), /.
    That will do 2 things. It will solve parity on top, but make a H perm on the bottom.
    To solve the H perm on the bottom ONLY, here's my alg: /, (-3, 3), /, (-3, 3), / (0, 1,) /, (3, -3), /, (3, -3), / (1, 0)
     
  15. blade740

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    3-Color rule. Look at one corner (any corner), plus the edges on either side of it. If there are 3 colors total, it's an E, so no parity. If there are 2 colors or 4 colors, it's X or Q, respectively.
     
  16. sa11297

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    how many EP cases do you know?
     
  17. blade740

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    All of the nonparity ones, plus O-perms and adjacent swap.
     
  18. Neo63

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    I think the block method gets most of the cases down, and after a while of practicing you'll do it subconsciously. The rest Andrew covered pretty well.
     
  19. mrpotatoman14

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    Out of curiosity, does anyone know how fast people have gotten with the screw method?
     

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