Rubik's Cube World Championship 2017 - Paris, France (13-16 July 2017)

Discussion in 'Official WCA Competitions' started by BillyRain, Jul 27, 2016.

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  1. Tabe

    Tabe Member

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    What exactly happened with the timer failure?
     
  2. turtwig

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    I guess it wasn't technically a timer failure, but Seung reset his timer right after he finished his solve. If you looked closely, you could see the time before he reset though. There's a clip of it somewhere.
    https://clips.twitch.tv/InquisitiveBadWalletTBTacoRight
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    Last edited: Jul 16, 2017 at 9:53 PM
  3. TheCoolMinxer

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    So, what can I say after all?

    First off, I reached my only goal, which was to get a podium: 39.06 3x3 with feet mean, 3rd place. I am so happy about this, my best cubing accomplishment ever, if not in my entire life :D

    I talked to a ton of people, got autographs and had so much fun I've never had before at a comp. So many famous people I've seen for the first time. Watching finals aswell as being in some was cool and intense at the same time, such a high level.

    Results:
    9 PB's at 20th comp, which is great for itself.
    I was in 7 finals, which was the highest amount of finals someone had at worlds this year (Feliks also had 7, so we're tied :p)
    8.35 3x3 avg in semifinals, 2nd best German and 26th out of 922 competitors
    2:01 6x6 PB mean with 1:57 PB single, now my 3rd best official event
    3:07 7x7 PB mean by a tiny bit, nothing special
    33.65 3BLD overall PB single, 58.59 mean in R2, finally sub1ed without having practised for 4 entire months (only official dnf solves and 10 warmup solves on Saturday, they were all dnfs lol)
    13.71 OH PB avg, got me into finals where I got last haha
    2.07 Pyraminx PB single, NR is 2.03 :(
    8.42 Clock PB avg which got me into finals where I got 10th :)
    3.80 Skewb PB average which got me into finals, too.

    As of now: sum of ranks single/avg
    WR: 4/3
    CR: 1/2
    NR: 1/1

    Can't wait to see everyone again at next Worlds or Euros, had absolutely great time there!
     
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  4. xyzzy

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    The problem is that we don't know how large the timer display's latency is. It looks like it's at least 100 ms, possibly more.
     
  5. chickenpee

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    I think we can all agree it would have been below 7. Even if it had been 7.00, Seung would have won. I feel a little better about the result, knowing there was an accidental reset on his part. At first I thought it was a pure timer malfunction and I was literally agonizing about it all morning.

    But let's not take anything away from Max, he had one heck of a run and I'm super happy for him.
     
  6. DGCubes

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    It can confirm that it would've been the best solve of the average, but the time itself cannot be confirmed with the WCA's required precision and accuracy, as the display lags a bit. Besides, this is the way timer resets have always been handled in the past. I don't necessarily agree that it's the right way, but consistency is key. Maybe this drastic example of a timer reset will be the push the WCA needs to come up with a better way of handling them in the future, but any changes made couldn't be retroactive.
     
  7. efattah

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    Actually you can calculate the EXACT time. You ignore the timer entirely. You simply use the frames of the video. The frame counting is ultra-accurate to within 1/30 of a second (0.03 seconds).
     
  8. xyzzy

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    Sebastian had a timer reset during 444 finals too, so there were two drastic examples.
     
  9. turtwig

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    O-rings would fix a lot of the problems. A lot of people were complaining (Rami got a DNF 2x2 average as well, where one of the DNFs was a timer reset).
     
  10. FastCubeMaster

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    6. Rami Sbahi DNFs his 2x2 average and did not proceed to semi finals.
    7. Sebastian Weyer reset his timer on the final solve of the 4x4 finals, luckily unaffecting his results and claiming champion.
    7.5. Seung got a resolve but Sebastian didn't?
    8. Marcin comes 2nd in MBLD, attempting 46 cubes every time, losing to Shivam
    8.5 Tom Nelson won 5BLD!

    I could go on all day
     
  11. DGCubes

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    You can do that, but still, the Stackmat timer is precise to 1/100 of a second. By frame counting, certain times are impossible, like, say, 6.15. (184 frames/30 frames per second = 6.133, and 185 frames/30 frames per second = 6.166). So technically, framecounting is less precise (and it seems unfair; why should this solve get any special treatment?).
     
  12. turtwig

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    They gave Seung a redo to be safe. They later reviewed the video and DNF'd the solve anyway.
     
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  13. ozie

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    The ceremony was - to say the least - a bit weird.
    I would say there's not a single photo of the winners without the "man in black" on the podium. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Ordway Persyn

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    I think that was Uwe Mefferts.
     
  15. Kian

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    What happened to Seung Hyuk Namh is very unfortunate and I feel for him. However, there is no other way to handle competitors literally hitting the reset button given the current timer.

    At this point, you just simply have to not hit the reset button. This is competitor error. They DNF people for false starts and violations they can control in other kinds of events, too.

    Sorry to see this happen to him at such an important point, of course.
     
  16. Ollie

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    That's a paddlin'
     
  17. scotzbhoy

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    Do we know that he actually hit reset? These timers are ****, there have been times when o rings have been used and the timers have still reset. It happens, these timers just aren't fit for purpose.
     
  18. h2f

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    Are there any stats how many people was watching finals. I've counted around 3600 - 3800 on twitch and 500-600 on youtube. But there were transmissions in other languages, I guess?
     
  19. Iggy

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    Thanks a lot to the organisers, delegates and staff, and congrats to everyone who broke records and/or podiumed! :D
     
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  20. Kit Clement

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    Given that they went back and revoked the provisional extra attempt given based on video evidence, it would seem that they believed he hit the reset button.
     

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