[Review] Pillowed V-Cube 4x4x4

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  1. xb27

    xb27 Member

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    My modification is totally different from Pi's mod. There's no need to explain more.
     
  2. Meep

    Meep Member

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    Not totally, it uses the same idea. Some fixed non-rotating anchor of sorts to pull the layers along. In Pi's pin-mod it was a pin attached to a non-rotating screw/rivet. In yours it just split the center piece into a rotating part and a non-rotating part with a 'pin'/anchor sticking out.
     
  3. izovire

    izovire Member

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    Let's all make a big deal out of this :p

    Face it, you all (almost all) want a better speedcube no matter what. For those that feel bad about buying KO's and are angered by other's buying KO's you feel it is immoral. I think it would be stupid for V-cube to release the V-4 with their original patented design. They take forever to release new products so why would they release something that would be crap?

    From what I heard xb27 said it was okay for other companies to incorporate the x-cube core mech. I might be wrong but hey that's word of mouth.
     
  4. ~Adam~

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    I thought that you of all people would have tried a V-3 =P
     
  5. Cm_Hu

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    Last edited: Jan 23, 2013
  6. tx789

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    You know that's Dene
     
  7. Pixel 6

    Pixel 6 Premium Member

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    great video none the less.
     
  8. Brest

    Brest Super Reconstructor Staff Member

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    MeMyself&Pi - 1:54.11 4x4 mo2 (unofficial) V-cube 4 review

    [youtubehd]i0bD_GYRYq4[/youtubehd]
    centres
    2l' z' U 2r' z U 2r // yellow
    z' y U 2l 2l2' U2 2r z' x2 U' 2l2' y' F 2r U2 2r' // white
    y' x' U2 2l2' U' 2r2 // orange
    x2' U2 2r' x U2 2l x' U 2r2 U 2r2' // blue
    2l' U2 2l' 2l2 // red / green
    edges

    z U' R' // WB
    y' z2 R' y L' U L // WO
    z2' L' U2 L 2u // GR
    y' z2 L' U2 L // YG
    x2 L' U2 L // GO
    R U2' R' 2u' // YO / RB
    y' x' R' U y2 z' R U' R' 2u' // WR (WG)
    y2 U' L' U L 2u z2 y R 2u' // WG
    z2 y L' U L 2u // YB
    z' U 2r z R U 3l' U R' U' R y 2r' // YR / OB
    3x3x3

    x2 R2 U' y x' R 3r' U' 3r U2 x' // white cross
    y' U R U R' U y R U R' // wRB
    y' U2 L' U L U y' R U R' // wGO
    y U2' R U R' L U L' // wGR
    y2 L U' L' y2' U2 R U2' R' U R U' R' // wOB
    U2' x' 2r2 U2 x U2 2l U2 2r' U2 2r U2 x U2 2r U2 2r' x' U2 2r2' x // O-parity
    L y' R U R' U' F' // EO
    y U' R' U2' R2 U R2' U R2 U2' R' // CO (CP)
    y U L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 // EPLL
    View at alg.garron.us
    Code:
    Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps
    Total	115.88	176	1.52	290	2.50		%
    							Step		Time	STM	ETM
    F2C	8.74	16	1.83	27	3.09		F2C/Centres	48%	50%	52%
    L4C	9.51	16	1.68	25	2.63		L4C/Centres	52%	50%	48%
    Centres	18.25	32	1.75	52	2.85		Centres/Redux	24%	37%	31%
    
    Edges	57.86	54	0.93	116	2.00		Edges/Redux	76%	63%	69%
    
    Redux	76.11	86	1.13	168			Redux/Total	66%	49%	58%
    
    Cross+1	9.64	15	1.56	28	2.90		Cross+1/F2L	44%	33%	41%
    F2L	22.05	45	2.04	69	3.13		F2L/3x3x3	55%	50%	57%
    LL	17.72	45	2.54	53	2.99		LL/3x3x3	45%	50%	43%
    3x3x3	39.77	90	2.26	122	3.07		3x3x3/Total	34%	51%	42%
    centres
    2l' z' U 2r' z U 2r // yellow
    z' x' y z U 2l 2l2' U2 2r z' x2 U' 2l2' y' F 2r U2 2r' // white
    (y' x) x2' U2 2l2' U' 2r2 // orange
    x2' U2 2r' x U2 2l x' U 2r2 U 2r2' // blue
    2l' U2 2l' 2l2 // red / green
    edges

    z U' R' // WB
    y' z z R' y L' U L // WO
    z' z' L' U2 L z 2r // GR
    z' y' z2 L' U2 L // YG
    y' z2 y L' U2 L // GO
    y y' R U2' R' z' 2r' // YO / RB
    x' z y' x y' x U' (x' y') U (x z') x' y' z y' y' R U' R' (x y) 2r' // WR (WG)
    z' z' y y' z y U' L' U L z 2r z' x' y' z x' y' x x' y' x x y' x' z' R z x2' x y' x z' 2r' // WG
    z y L' U L z 2r' (2r 2l) // YB
    z' y x y' z' U U' x' y' U 2r z R U 3l' U R' U' R' R2 y F' F 2r 2r2' // YR / OB
    3x3x3

    z' x' y' x' R2 x' x U' y z' U x' y' x' x 3r' U' 3r U2 x' // white cross
    U y' R U R' U y R U R' // wRB
    y' U U L' U L U y' R R' R U R' // wGO
    y2 U' U' y' R U R' L U L' // wGR
    y y 3r' 3r L U' L' y' U2 y' R U2' R' U R' R2 U' R' // wOB
    U' U' x' 2r' 2r3 U2 x U2 2l U2 2r' U2 2r U2 x U2 2r U2 2r' x' U2 2r2' x // O-parity
    L y' R U R' y U' L' // EO
    U' R' U2' R2 U R2' U R2 U2' R' // CO (CP)
    U y L' U L' U' L' U' L' U L U L2 // EPLL
    View at alg.garron.us
    centres
    U 2l' z U2' 2l' y 2r // white
    z y' U 2l' U' 2l z' x U 2l U2 2r' // yellow
    y' U' 2l' // green
    x3' 2l2' U2 2l2 U 2r2 U 2r2' // red
    U 2r U' 2r' U' 2l' U' 2l // blue / orange
    edges

    U' R' // WR
    y U' R U' R' // YO
    y2 U2' L' U L 2u' // OB
    L' U' L // WO
    y' z2 R U2' R' // YG
    y2 L' U' L 2u // WG
    z y' R' z2 y R U 3l' U R' U' R y' 2r' // WB / YB
    z' y' R U R' // RB
    y2 L' U L 2u // YR
    z' U 2r z R U 3l' U R' U' R y 2r' // GO / GR
    3x3x3

    z' y L' F U' x R' F2 x' L' U' L z' // white cross
    U R U' R' // wGR
    y' U R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' // wRB
    U L' U' L y' U' L' U L // wGO
    U R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' // wOB
    U' x' 2R2 U2 x U2 2L U2 2R' U2 2R U2 x U2 2R U2 x' 2L' x' U2 2R2 x // pure O-parity
    y' L2' 3u L' U L' U' L' L2 3u' L2' y' L L2' U L // PLL
    View at alg.garron.us
    Code:
    Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps
    Total	112.34	168	1.50	270	2.40		%
    							Step		Time	STM	ETM
    F2C	10.67	16	1.50	29	2.72		F2C/Centres	50%	43%	56%
    L4C	10.67	21	1.97	23	2.16		L4C/Centres	50%	57%	44%
    Centres	21.34	37	1.73	52	2.44		Centres/Redux	30%	42%	33%
    
    Edges	50.72	52	1.03	105	2.07		Edges/Redux	70%	58%	67%
    
    Redux	72.06	89	1.24	157	2.18		Redux/Total	64%	53%	58%
    
    Cross+1	4.60	14	3.04	29	6.30		Cross+1/F2L	33%	29%	43%
    F2L	13.88	49	3.53	68	4.90		F2L/3x3x3	34%	62%	60%
    LL	26.40	30	1.14	45	1.70		LL/3x3x3	66%	38%	40%
    3x3x3	40.28	79	1.96	113	2.81		3x3x3/Total	36%	47%	42%
    centres
    U 2l' z U U2' U' 2l' y 2r' 2r2 // white
    z' (z' x') y' x y x (z' y') z' U 2l' U' 2l' 2l2 z' x U 2l U2 2r' // yellow
    y' U' 2l' // green
    x2' x' 2l2' U2 2l2 U 2r' 2r3 U 2r 2r3' // red
    U 2r U' 2r' U' 2l' U' 2r' (2r 2l) // blue / orange
    edges

    y' z' x' (x' y') y' x' y' x (z x') z U' R' // WR
    y U' R U' R' // YO
    y U' y U' L' U L z 2r' // OB
    z' z z' L' U' L // WO
    y' z2 y y' R U2' R' // YG
    y y y' y L' U' L z 2l // WG
    z y' (z' y') U' (x' y') (y x) U R' (x' y') z R U 3l' U R' U' R' R2 z' y' x 2r' // WB / YB
    z' y y2' R' R2 U R' // RB
    y z' z y L' U L z 2r' 2r2 // YR
    x' x' y' (x z) (x' y) y' U 2r z R U 3l' U R' U' R y 2r 2r2' // GO / GR
    3x3x3

    z' x U2 U x' y x U x' U' x R' x U2 x' z' (y' x) x' z L' U' L' L2 z' // white cross
    U R' R2 U' R' // wGR
    y' U R U R' U' R' R2 U R' U' R U R' // wRB
    U L' U' L y' U' L' U L // wGO
    y U y' R' R2 U R' U' R' R2 U R' U' R U R' // wOB
    U' x' 2r2 R2' U2 x U2 L' 2l U2 2r' R U2 2r R' U2 x U2 2r R' U2 x' L 2l' x' U2 2r2' R2 x // pure O-parity
    y' L2' 3u L' U L' U' L' L2 3u' L2' y' L L2' U L // PLL
    View at alg.garron.us
    Code:
    Mean (2/2)
    
    Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps
    Total	114.11	172.00	1.51	280.00	2.45		%
    							Step		Time	STM	ETM
    F2C	9.71	16	1.65	28	2.89		F2C/Centres	49%	46%	54%
    L4C	10.09	19	1.83	24	2.38		L4C/Centres	51%	54%	46%
    Centres	19.80	35	1.74	52	2.63		Centres/Redux	27%	39%	32%
    
    Edges	54.29	53	0.98	111	2.04		Edges/Redux	73%	61%	68%
    
    Redux	74.09	88	1.18	163	2.19		Redux/Total	65%	51%	58%
    
    Cross+1	7.12	15	2.04	29	4.00		Cross+1/F2L	40%	31%	42%
    F2L	17.97	47	2.62	69	3.81		F2L/3x3x3	45%	56%	58%
    LL	22.06	38	1.70	49	2.22		LL/3x3x3	55%	44%	42%
    3x3x3	40.03	85	2.11	118	2.94		3x3x3/Total	35%	49%	42%	
     
  9. TheDubDubJr

    TheDubDubJr Cupcake

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  10. Andreaillest

    Andreaillest Premium Member

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  11. yockee

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    My vision comes to life! hahaha
     
  12. Brest you are crazy. Crazy good :) Haha, so gooood :p
     
  13. Clarkeeyyy

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    Can we preorder this anywhere other than the V-Cube website?
     
  14. PeelingStickers

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    How did I know he would do that :D

    awesome stuff again from brest.
     
  15. izovire

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    I was talking via phone with a V-cube supplier yesterday and only information he had was it will be released in February. There is a toy fair in New York and I think they want to present the V-cube 4 there first. I also have to wait until late February early March to get my bit of stock. I would definitely have a pre-order opened if there was a confirmed release date. I'm not so sure if V-cubes.com will do pre order, they might just surprise you at any time ;)
     
  16. SmallCuber

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    V-CUBE stole X-CUBE. That's what I know. And also Danyan 3x3.
     
  17. LarryLunchmeat

    LarryLunchmeat Member

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    Cool video, although I will would like to see more reviews. Not that it's biased, but if I was sent a cube a few weeks before its release date, I definitely wouldn't rip on it publicly.

    About the whole knockoff thing.. as long as a company puts out a quality cube, it will sell... I have a Shengshou 2X2-9X9, but I have all the available sized V-cubes as well. Sony and Samsung both sell televisions using all the same parts and they both utilize the same technology but you buy the one that suits you better or you may even own one of each. I don't hear Sony getting all butthurt towards Samsung just because they were selling TV's first and "own" the rights to the television. And even if Sony had the rights; if Samsung can figure out a way to use similar technology and releases an improved version for cheaper, then all the power to them. Even if Shengshou flat out "ripped-off" V-Cube, what about the torpedoes in the V Cube 3 that are a blatant rip-off of a Dayan? And what about the X-Cube thing now where V-Cube clearly didn't have permission to use this technology as revealed earlier in this thread. It's funny how people are so quick to draw the rip-off card when it supports their argument, but turn their head when it goes against it.

    I'm definitely going to buy a V-Cube 4 in a few months but I can't see it being better than a modded Shengshou V3 or V4. It seems V-Cube came out on top a few years ago when they were the only fish in the sea, but now that there are other companies around making similar or even better quality cubes for a third of the price, they seem to be releasing just average cubes in comparison. Time will tell.
     
  18. kalyk

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  19. JianhanC

    JianhanC Member

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    fyi the SS 6x6 has the same little bump things on their core pieces. This V4 is really much better than I expected. If it weren't so pricey I might consider getting one.
     
  20. LNZ

    LNZ Premium Member

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    I have just ordered a white V-cube 4b from the V-cubes site. I also ordered sticker sets for the V-Cube 7, V-Cube 2a and the V-cube 2b as well.

    The shipping is shared among all four items, so the cost of the V-Cube 4b (assuming each item has equal shipping costs) is $23.86 EURO or $32.41 AUD.

    Which makes it a very expensive 4x4 cube.

    If one does the calculation with the cube only and no stickers, the cube costs $35.45 EURO or $48.18 AUD.

    This is a very, very expensive 4x4 cube.

    For comparison I paid ~ $26 AUD (including S/H) each for all my 3 Eastsheen 4x4's, ~ $12 AUD for each of my 3 Shengshou 4x4's and ~ $16 AUD each
    for my 2 QJ 4x4's.

    I paid (including S/H) about $34 AUD each for both my Shengshou 6x6 and Shengshou 7x7 cubes.
     

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