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[Help Thread] Megaminx Discussion

Discussion in 'Cubing Help & Questions' started by ottozing, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. ottozing

    ottozing Platinum Member

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    This thread is for megminx discussion. Feel free to discuss anything involving megaminx from methods to algorithms to hardware or anything else you want to talk about :) There are general discussion threads for CFOP, Roux, Petrus, ZZ/ZB, and even big cubes. But I haven't stumbled upon any megaminx discussion threads :)
     
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  2. Carrot

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    I like megaminx. But I pretty much suck at it :/ What should my split times be for a sub 45 solve?
     
  3. qqwref

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    You seem like you're close enough already... maybe you could go on ctimer and get splits of some of your faster nl solves, and then time the top people's videos for their splits? If you're lucky there will be an obvious place to improve and not just a little bit across the board.


    So guys, is learning full minx OLL or PLL worth it? I was actually considering learning a bunch more simple OLL algs just in case I get them. Also, I'm thinking of learning one-look CPLL soon, although there are a lot of cases :| I just can't do the RDRU stuff quickly.
     
  4. Carrot

    Carrot Member

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    Ya, I could do that, but it's hard to compare: Balint uses layer by layer; Simon uses face by face, but he knows most PLLs and doesn't use EO and stuff (probably still my best chance to compare), Korean girl is just... bweehhh I don't even see what's happening, it's just solved and stuff. I will post splits anyway when I get to do some mega later today :)


    Personally, the PLLs I learned so far is helping a lot, but that's just a few. :)
     
  5. JasonK

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    I like this thread already :tu

    I'm considering learning full CP too, partly because I'm kinda bad at CP comms, and partly because it just feels bad to know EO, CO and EP but not CP :p
     
  6. JianhanC

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    What do you guys think about WV for minx? I put the last pair in while orienting all the edges, and with WV I can skip OLL. I never really got around learning/generating them though, I don't even know full WV for 3x3 yet. I'm optimistic on the potential of this substep, but given the number of possible algs and recognition problems it might almost be as daunting as full PLL.

    I've tried learning CP, but imo it's not really worth it. Comms can be executed faster. I'm referring to just the cases where none of the corners are solved.
     
  7. ottozing

    ottozing Platinum Member

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    Those cases are annoying to recognise at first, but the algs for them are really nice. The way I recognise the 5 cycles where there are no visable headlights is i look for matching coloues on (R U BR) and (L BL U). I then look at the back corner and see where it has to go (It can only go 1 of 2 places). For the 5 cycles where there are 2 sets of headlights, I just track where the non headlights corner has to go (Again, it can only go 1 of 2 places).
     
  8. MaeLSTRoM

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    Hmm, I would say that learning all the non-5ycle CP's is probably the best way to go. The recognition for the other cases is pretty bad, and I just don't think it's worth it.

    That being said, I am in the process of learning megaminx PLL (And have been for a while), Currently I know about half of the PLL cases. It seems to be helping, but sometimes the recognition isn't worth it. I'd say you can be just as fast with 2+ look as with full PLL if you practice it.
     
  9. Divineskulls

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    Re: Megaminx Thread

    I know Louis Cormier knows at least some of WV, and has used it with mega, but I don't think he used it other than with easy cases. I do think that some cases would be useful, but probably not the cases with more than 3 corners unoriented.
     
  10. antoineccantin

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    lolwut? I've never heard or seen him do WV and he's practically my neighbour.
     
  11. Divineskulls

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    Re: Megaminx Thread

    He said he once got a mega oll skip with WV, so I'm assuming he knows some of it...
     
  12. antoineccantin

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    He probably just meant something like U R U2' R' instead of R U' R' or something similar.
     
  13. Ickathu

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    yay for minx's!
    I should start a pyraminx thread...

    anyway, how many solves should I do a day? I average like 2:30-2:45 right now and do maybe 5 or so solves a day, depending on how much free time I have. I'd like to get faster, like sub1:30. Also, what kind of LL algs should I learn first? Currently I do EO, EP (with sune variants), then do a cube rotation and do sexy-move CO+CP, like beginners 3x3.
     
  14. arcio1

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    You should learn how do to EO-CO-EP-CP.
     
  15. Carrot

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    I have website with mega WV somewhere :p

    EDIT: http://megaminx.odderen.dk/ only like half of the cases done ;) but if you scroll down you'll see I also added some of the easy MANY corners flipped cases. It has all 0 and 1 corner cases. It has ALMOST all 2 corner cases, and 13 of 3,4 and 5 corners cases
     
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  16. emolover

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    What do you think is an appropriate LL time for mega? I am getting 12 second LL usually and averaging able 1:20.

    I do EO during the last pair.
     
  17. Carrot

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    LL should be around 8 seconds. (without EO)

    without EO for L2F (I do EO before L2F) you should use 12-13 seconds :)

    So it's probably not your worst part of the solve :p
     
  18. marcobelotti

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    My spilts are
    F2L: 24.33
    S2L: 34.17
    LL: 12.88

    Total: 1:11.38, wich isn't a very good solve for me ( i can do sub1:10 avg12 and my pb single 54.45 ), but where do you think i can get better?
     
  19. Divineskulls

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    Personally, I think your f2l needs a little work. It's hard to tell from just one solve, though. My f2l is normally sub-20 on good solves, and sub-15 on REALLY good solves. Maybe the LL a little bit, and probably the s2l too. But I think mostly F2L and S2L.
     
  20. marcobelotti

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    Thanks :)
     

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