How to quickly decrease solve time?

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  1. Stingray970

    Stingray970 Member

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    Greetings cubers!
    I am currently faced with a minor dilemma that I'd like some advice on.

    Rather than restating the title, I'll give you a bit of background information.

    I have a speech I must give this Tuesday about a topic of my choice: Rubik's cubes.
    While I'm giving my introduction, I'd like to solve the Rubik's cube for my class.
    The speech cannot be even a second over 5 minutes or I'll lose 10% of my grade on the project.
    If I REALLY stretch it, my introduction could be a minute and 30 seconds while still fulfilling the other required elements.
    Ideally, I'd like it to be >1 minute.

    My current averages of 20:
    Rubik's brand cube: 1m 30s
    Dayan Zhanchi: 1m 10s

    I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at.

    I'd like a somewhat quick (and short term) way to improve my solve time before Tuesday.

    Any tips?

    Also, I've been told MANY times by some fairly upset youtubers that I should NOT be using a Zhanchi at my skill level. They're telling me it'll make me worse in the long run and that I should force myself to use a crap cube until that point. Is there any truth in that?
     
  2. Edward

    Edward Member

    Do a prepared solve

    Also those YouTube are full of it. It doesn't actually matter.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2012
  3. Sahid Velji

    Sahid Velji Member

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    First of all, please, please keep using the Zhanchi. A prepared solve might get you a 30 second solve instead of 1 minute. You might even want to memorize the solve so that you can be looking at your audience while solving the cube, although this may be risky if you mess up. I did this in my English seminar and I memorized about 30 easy moves.
     
  4. qqwref

    qqwref Member

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    I say prepared solve too. But make it look realistic: memorized cross, sexy move F2L, and your fastest LL algs. Don't do the RULD thing that some people do.

    I don't think you should force yourself to use a worse cube, but if you're going to use a really good cube from the start, you have to be aware of that. You're probably going to be turning faster than someone at the same speed for quite a while, and having a good cube encourages you to rely on turning fast. However, lookahead is really important if you want to get good times. So you'll have to put more conscious effort into practicing lookahead and recognition, because it won't be quite as obvious to work on it if you can just turn as fast as you want to.
     
  5. soldii3runit

    soldii3runit Member

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    thrawst did a scramble and shows you how to solve it 6 moves in a vid.
     
  6. Sahid Velji

    Sahid Velji Member

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    6 moves is way too short, what if one of them says, "Let me mix it up now!", then they'll find out it was a prepared solve. Make the solve about 40 moves or so? Like qqwref said, make it look realistic.
     
  7. soldii3runit

    soldii3runit Member

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    well of course do the R U R' U'*6 thing first a couple times then doit.
     
  8. A Leman

    A Leman Member

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    I don't know if this will help your method but you could make a 3gen scramble by freely twisting the U,R,L,D faces but restricting your self to only F2 AND B2 on the F and B layers. This makes all of your edges oriented so A CFOP solver that uses f2l that does not affect orientation(no rotations or quarter turn F or B moves) will have a rotationless cross and f2l and the edges will be preoriented on the last layer(a sune case).

    also use your dayan. I learned a lot from making my rubiks brand a sub 20 cube but it took forever to wear in and slowed down the learning process of cubing to teach me the importance of good hardware. once i got my guhong and ghosthand, i realized how stupid it was to use my storebought alot.
     
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  9. MirzaCubing

    MirzaCubing Member

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    I recommend the reconstruction thread. Find an easy one. OR Try Anthony Brook's NAR, that solve was so easy I didnt need the reconstruction XD
     
  10. cubingawsumness

    cubingawsumness Member

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    but anyways, the best way, like everyone said, is to do a prepared solve. Just do an easy scramble, and know what you're gonna do. You don't have to memorize the whole solve, just know which OLL and PLL cases you'll get, and what you'll do for the cross, etc.
     
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  11. retep

    retep Member

    Well everyone is saying prepared solve, so I will offer something else in case that is not what you want to do. Honestly, at your time to improve quickly just do a lot of solves, I found that when I was at your time if I just sat down for like 2 hours and solved my time would drop like 10 seconds by the end, however this often does develop bad habits easier and is probably not as good in the long run as focusing on improving/changing things each practice session. Often some of the things that will make large differences and make you much faster like a week later make you much slower now (ie. switching from beginner method to fridrich, the f2l step will probably slow you down and make your times worse initially but you will get far better in the long run).

    Anyway, ya I recommend (if you aren't doing a prepared solve) to just sit down and do a lot of solves. It will improve your recognition time and familiarity with the cube and different cases in your method, which is probably the biggest contributor to your solves at those times, especially if you already have a cube like a Zhanchi. This is because there are two factors that affect how long it takes you to solve the cube: 1. Execution time (how long it takes you to perform the turns/algs and stuff) and 2. Inspection/recognition time (How long it takes you to figure out what you need to be doing or recalling what alg to use).
    The second is likely a large part of your times where you sit with the cube looking for pieces (rotating/twisting the cube) and the delay between seeing the piece(s) and executing the algorithm.
     
  12. Kirjava

    Kirjava Colourful

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    This is the worst myth in speedcubing, perpetuated by people who do not know what they're talking about.

    Use whatever cube you prefer.
     
  13. soldii3runit

    soldii3runit Member

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    When I switched from A crappy cube to a zhanchi, my time dropped 10secs so it is a myth.
     
  14. costello

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    I'd record the solving of the cube and have it playing behind me on an lcd display while I gave my introduction, but that's so I could focus on my speech.
     
  15. applemobile

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    Start with a solved cube, scramble it whilst Saying your speach backwards for 30 seconds then start talking forwards as you solve it. People will think you have mastered time travel and probably give you money to show them your secrets. Get an A on your assignment an recieve free money. Win.
     
  16. Cubenovice

    Cubenovice Forever Slow

    Would the format allow you to just do a walk-trough solve?
    This way you can solve slowly instead of trying to force yourself to go fast.
     
  17. MWilson

    MWilson Member

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    Do the prepared solve, but when you solve it just pretend you're a little surprise and remark that you did it faster than you usually do. That way you've got your ass covered if someone approaches you afterwards and asks to scramble it for you.

    A tip for the prepared solve: Design your own solve backwards, using your favorite/most comfortable LL, F2L, and a simple cross. Maybe even make the cross only three moves or something.
     

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