# [Help Thread]F2L Intuitive vs. Algorithm Solving

## How did you learn your F2L? Intuitively or with Algs?

• ### Algorithmic

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#### Julio974

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Hello!
I have recently entered the wolr of cubing and enjoy it very much. I am new to this forum!
My beginners method is very good at this moment and I can do it easily. I have now started to learn cfop and f2l is the biggest thing that I am a bit confused about.
I have heard that intuitive f2l Is better than algorithm based f2l. I don't know why exactly this is like this, since for me I find the algorithms easier to learn. I have tried to learn the intuitive way but didn't really understand it. I seem to understand f2l with algorithms. Please help me. What method do you use and find better?
Well, algorithmic F2L is just a compilation of intuitive cases.
So look at the algorithms to understand them, but don’t learn algs directly for F2L.

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Okay. That does make sense. Would yiu recommend any YouTube or online tutorials for intuitive f2l, I can't seem to find a good one.

#### Aerma

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Okay. That does make sense. Would yiu recommend any YouTube or online tutorials for intuitive f2l, I can't seem to find a good one.
I think J Perm has a good YouTube tutorial. I personally learned from a channel called The Cubingers but I think J Perm's is better.

#### Diving Cuber

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In the beginning, learn intuitive f2l because it is simple. Than once you are extremely comfortable, slowly learn algs, but intuitively.

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Okay! I am actually trying to learn it intuitive now and I actually get it a bit. Some practice and I will be good. Thank you! You cubers are so helpful!

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As many before me have said, intuitive F2L gives you a better sense of how the cube works, many of the optimized intuitive cases are the same as the algorithimic cases.
Learning intuitively also gives your more finger trick friendly cases, as that's how your brain wants to learn them.
At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference, and we all end up at the same place, we just get there different ways.

#### SenorJuan

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"and we all end up at the same place ..."
There's plenty of people on here who will disagree. When you're good at Intuitive, you will be able to use empty slots effectively, you will be able to make pairs when the edge/corner is not in its correct slot, you will have less cube rotations, and less turns. And you always have the option of learning algorithms, too. These are particularly beneficial for one-handed solving.

#### ssakgul

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Do we need to use only these algorithms? Are there any alternatives? (I know the answer, but I want to others to ask themselves. My algorithms -near all- are different then those...)

#### cubezrawesome

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First of all, you are taking it way too fast, you are cubing for just a few days and want to learn the fridich method?

I'd say that you shoul first work on speed with begginer method, until you get to 1:00 or 1:10.

and Intuitive f2l is better for me, I do have my own tricks that I kind of figured out, how to pair every edge and corner in just a few twists,
i agree

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1.Which can i learn fast initutive or algorithm f2l? 2. HOw much solves i should do a day to get to sub 30 in 2 months?

#### ImmolatedMarmoset

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I would say (along w/ most people) that you should learn intuitive. It gives you a better understanding of the cube and algorithmic F2L can be quite confusing.
And I would say do around 50-60 solves a day is fine, but if you want to get there even faster, pay attention to your weaknesses. For example, if you are really bad at efficient F2L, do a few untimed solves focusing on that as much as possible. If you are bad at cross, just solve your cross as fast as you can for a little while. Also, watch this video:
. It helped me get sub-30, it will for you too.

#### WombatWarrior17

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1: Intuitive is better, period. Don't bother with F2L algs until you have a good understanding of F2L.
2: It varies, there isn't a set number. It's all about what you practice and how you practice.

What @ImmolatedMarmoset said is right, just work on your weaknesses.

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Thank you
1: Intuitive is better, period. Don't bother with F2L algs until you have a good understanding of F2L.
2: It varies, there isn't a set number. It's all about what you practice and how you practice.

What @ImmolatedMarmoset said is right, just work on your weaknesses.
I would say (along w/ most people) that you should learn intuitive. It gives you a better understanding of the cube and algorithmic F2L can be quite confusing.
And I would say do around 50-60 solves a day is fine, but if you want to get there even faster, pay attention to your weaknesses. For example, if you are really bad at efficient F2L, do a few untimed solves focusing on that as much as possible. If you are bad at cross, just solve your cross as fast as you can for a little while. Also, watch this video:
. It helped me get sub-30, it will for you too.
Thank you

#### Aerma

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Intuitive F2L all the way! However, once you get faster it's very useful to learn algorithms for the slower/more difficult cases to make them more manageable.