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Converting algorithms to letters?

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I've been thinking about this quite a bit while learning zbll, and I think it could be extremely useful in memorizing large algorithm sets with a memory palace. My original thought was this: Give each trigger a letter and then just memorize the first two triggers and try the rest. The obvious problems with this: too many triggers, doesn't account for non triggers mid alg, like U2 etc, and it doesn't account for the entire algorithm. I will continue to work on this but I would love to hear the ideas of others, my goal is to engineer a system where an algorithm can be reduced into a visual of one object(or a set of object working together, for example, "a dog eating meat").

Comment your ideas, no matter how complex and far fetched they sound!
 
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Already been working on it


David Singmaster notation is good to generate scrambles and stuff, but not good enough for memorization.

Edit:
I have also added ways to memorize wide moves and rotations.

For wide moves,
u - QA
u' - BP
u2 - RC
f - SV
f' - WT
f2 - XU
l' - NH
l - MG
l2 - OI
r - NJ
r' - MK
r2 - OL

x - li
x' - mi
y - gi
y' - kj
z - qp
z' -dp
(I chose these letter pairs as these were rarer in the algorithm string, and had strong imagery in my letter pair scheme)

For normal face turning moves,
U - A
U' - B
U2 - C
D - D
D' - E
D2 - F
L - G
L' - H
L2 - I (Letter i)
M - M
M' - N
M2 - O
R - J
R' - K
R2 - L
S - S
S' - T
S2 - U
E - P
E' - Q
E2 - R
F - V
F' - W
F2 - X
B - Y
B' - Z

There are also an insane amount of cancellations I have come up with, but it will be pretty advanced for you ig.
This system takes time to get accustomed to.

For fun reasons, I have decided to name this system as Yo notation!

Happy memorizing...
(P.S. I have not used this system to memorize ZBLL, as I use Roux method to solve a 3x3)

If you have any further doubts or need help or clarification, drop a mail to [email protected]
I am always open to debates yo.

Lol, nice read.

Also, I think I am not the first person to come up with this system.

But, I have invested about 1 year to perfectly engineer this system and make it work.
I will not publish the 10,000ish algs I have converted to images using the Yo notation anytime soon.

But, I will be posting videos of execution of this triggerless algs (length ~12 moves) on this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa7dTclUqnR9VwSeOCpRwAQ
 
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It would be a really good idea for TSLE memo.

RUR'=A
RU2R'=B
RU'R'=C
U=X
U2=Y
U'=Z
So the 4 corners alg for TSLE would be: XCYA
and RUR'U2RUR' for one of the edge in slot cases would become AYA
 
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This system takes time to get accustomed to.
Are you accustomed to this system? Also I do think it is a very interesting system, however very long. For example, if im learning zbll, there is only a very limited amount if turns ( L, R, R2, etc) that are actually used in algorithms. I'm currently working on something very similar to yours, but it includes both common triggers, and common transition moves. But thats where my system lacks to yours, mine doesn't account for certain moves, ei S, E, etc so it cannot be directly applied to blind comms. I think it could be easily modified however. I also think one problem with that system would be how long your visual memo is. In mine it includes both triggers and turns, to minimize visual length. While I do think yours is definitely a great option once it is concreted into your mind, my biggest problem would be trying to fit an entire 12 alg set into one room.
 
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In fact I make mistakes in turning (like R instead of R' in normal notation), but in this I do not make any mistake.
You should make a program that converts typical algorithms to your system. I'd also be interested in seeing how many algs you can learn in day(or a speed test of the sort).
 
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For something as "small" as ZBLL I feel that you shouldn't worry about getting every part of an alg precisely encoded into an image. As long as you train your algs regularly, your brain should be able to fill in a lot of the gaps. If I were you, I'd just leave out all of the non trigger moves. Something that simply jogs your memory should be enough in my opinion.

When I learned ZBLL, I never found it hard to memorize an alg. I had a lot more trouble remembering which alg corresponded to which case. I think that some way of mapping all 493 cases to a unique image (which you could then connect to an image for the alg) would be more useful, although I've never been able to think of a good system for this.

For something like 5-style, which I know Abhijeet has been developing, a letter based mnemonic system makes more sense because there's an easy way to encode all cases to four letters, and there are far more algs, making it harder for your brain to fill in missing information.
 
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For something as "small" as ZBLL I feel that you shouldn't worry about getting every part of an alg precisely encoded into an image. As long as you train your algs regularly, your brain should be able to fill in a lot of the gaps. If I were you, I'd just leave out all of the non trigger moves. Something that simply jogs your memory should be enough in my opinion.

When I learned ZBLL, I never found it hard to memorize an alg. I had a lot more trouble remembering which alg corresponded to which case. I think that some way of mapping all 493 cases to a unique image (which you could then connect to an image for the alg) would be more useful, although I've never been able to think of a good system for this.

For something like 5-style, which I know Abhijeet has been developing, a letter based mnemonic system makes more sense because there's an easy way to encode all cases to four letters, and there are far more algs, making it harder for your brain to fill in missing information.

I agree on Tao's point.
For ZBLL, the only tough point is to find that mapping and recognition which can be easily practiced by alg trainer.

There are some reductions in the letter based mnemonic system, when the algset only consists of [R U D] like say in UFR corner algs, but it easier just to remember the commutator and how it works, rather than develop a system to memorize it.
If a system with same triggers are translated into letter based mnemonic system, the algs look somewhat like: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XiNdbdbj14t6p-38t_IfRyLEyjYZzR6D1M16dTZudpM/edit?usp=sharing
Remembering like this is not a pleasure-able experience and it is better to understand how the commutator works.

For ZBLL, some kind of TeamBlind jargon to remember triggers effectively is good enough to make algs stick when we start first learning them.
 
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For something as "small" as ZBLL I feel that you shouldn't worry about getting every part of an alg precisely encoded into an image. As long as you train your algs regularly, your brain should be able to fill in a lot of the gaps. If I were you, I'd just leave out all of the non trigger moves. Something that simply jogs your memory should be enough in my opinion.
Yeah, this is kind of what I was after.
I haven't tried just leaving out the non trigger moves, but that makes a lot of sense now that I think about it.
My "plan" once I find a good system is to be able to map out full 1lll, so I'm sure as long as I'm not learning algs insanely fast, this would work.
Thank you!
 
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There are some reductions in the letter based mnemonic system, when the algset only consists of [R U D] like say in UFR corner algs, but it easier just to remember the commutator and how it works, rather than develop a system to memorize it.
If a system with same triggers are translated into letter based mnemonic system, the algs look somewhat like: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XiNdbdbj14t6p-38t_IfRyLEyjYZzR6D1M16dTZudpM/edit?usp=sharing
Remembering like this is not a pleasure-able experience and it is better to understand how the commutator works.
Very interesting to look at the translation of these, and I definitely agree that it wouldn't be useful on 3 style, but something like this, plus mapping technique for zbll? Sounds useful.
 
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