Fingertrick help? d'

Jellis · Feb 21, 2015

I'm trying to memorize the V and F permutation algorithms from Badmephisto's cubing site, and I can't seem to get the hang of the d' move in them.

The V Algorithm is: [R' U R' d'] [R' F'] [R2 U' R' U] [R' F R F]

The F Algorithm is: [R' U2 R' d'] [R' F'] [R2 U' R' U] [R' F R U' F]

I've been just using my middle and ring fingers to flick it but I'm really slow and sloppy with it, is that the way to do d' and I just need to practice it more?

Mollerz · Feb 21, 2015

I made a video on this for a friend a while back:

Jellis · Feb 21, 2015

The video isn't working, it's giving me an error message and that annoying pixelated black screen. Could you give me a link to the video? Thanks for you help

I realize now I probably should have posted this in the speed cubing help thread instead of this general cubing help thread

Berd · Feb 21, 2015

Don't use that f perm - the t perm set up one is much better.

tseitsei · Feb 21, 2015

Berd said:
Don't use that f perm - the t perm set up one is much better.

+1

Rocky0701 · Feb 21, 2015

Berd said:
Don't use that f perm - the t perm set up one is much better.

Definitely. That V Perm doesn't look good either.

Hssandwich · Feb 21, 2015

Rocky0701 said:
Definitely. That V Perm doesn't look good either.

The v perm is standard isn't it?

Jellis · Feb 21, 2015

Berd said:
Don't use that f perm - the t perm set up one is much better.

What's the t perm set up alg?

vcuber13 · Feb 21, 2015

R' U' F' T perm F U R

Jellis · Feb 21, 2015

What V perm do you suggest? If there's a better one I don't want to learn the one I posted above haha

vcuber13 said:
R' U' F' T perm F U R

Oh thank you, that is a lot simpler

TDM · Feb 21, 2015

Jellis said:
What V perm do you suggest? If there's a better one I don't want to learn the one I posted above haha

My V perm

cashis · Feb 21, 2015

Or use the same alg but do U' and y instead of d'.

sneaklyfox · Feb 22, 2015

TDM said:
My V perm

Ooh, that feels sexy. (I like a slightly different fingertrick though that I just made for myself after I watched your vid.) I'm going to drill this a couple days and see if it will replace my old alg.

Rocky0701 · Feb 22, 2015

TDM said:
My V perm

Wow, I like it too! Such good flow and only one regrip. I will try it out for a little while too.

theROUXbiksCube · Feb 22, 2015

sneaklyfox said:
Ooh, that feels sexy. (I like a slightly different fingertrick though that I just made for myself after I watched your vid.) I'm going to drill this a couple days and see if it will replace my old alg.

sneaklyfox · Feb 22, 2015

theROUXbiksCube said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZIZBmuQFc

Cool alg too but somehow it's not so comfortable for me. I drilled some the other alg. With my old alg (that has the d') my best time after some tries was 1.61. Best using new alg was 1.49. It also feels better to me so I am going to use the new alg. Thanks, TDM.

TDM · Feb 22, 2015

sneaklyfox said:
Cool alg too but somehow it's not so comfortable for me. I drilled some the other alg. With my old alg (that has the d') my best time after some tries was 1.61. Best using new alg was 1.49. It also feels better to me so I am going to use the new alg. Thanks, TDM.

Have you tried the front/back mirror of mine? Some people prefer it, and it does avoid the regrip, but to me the rest of the alg feels slower.

Tao Yu · Feb 22, 2015

The standard way of doing d moves is with your thumbs. For example, a d move should be done by holding your right index on the BUR sticker and using your left thumb to push the FR sticker to the RB position. Think of it as a U move and a y' done in one movement. If you actually try to do a U and a y' at the same time, you may find yourself naturally doing it this way.

Do not use your middle/ring finger. It requires a regrip.

For this V perm, I find that I do the U' and the y separately i.e. as

Twizzle link

U' y

. However, in F2L, I always use my thumbs.

sneaklyfox · Feb 23, 2015

TDM said:
Have you tried the front/back mirror of mine? Some people prefer it, and it does avoid the regrip, but to me the rest of the alg feels slower.

What's the alg? No, I really do like yours and I like how it feels too plus it's faster than my old one. I do my regrip differently. After R' U R' U' R D' R' D... I regrip with my thumb on F. Then I do R' U (with a right index finger push) D' left ring push then finish with the R2 U' R2' D R2. I don't have to turn my wrist as far this way and it's in a better position for R2 and I don't really like U D' both with my right hand anyway.

TDM · Feb 23, 2015

sneaklyfox said:
What's the alg? No, I really do like yours and I like how it feels too plus it's faster than my old one. I do my regrip differently. After R' U R' U' R D' R' D... I regrip with my thumb on F. Then I do R' U (with a right index finger push) D' left ring push then finish with the R2 U' R2' D R2. I don't have to turn my wrist as far this way and it's in a better position for R2 and I don't really like U D' both with my right hand anyway.

The alg is (I'm on mobile so this could be wrong): R U' R U R' D R D' R [U' D] R2 U R2 D' R2.
Also, would you mind uploading a video of your fingertrick? I can't see how you can do that U quickly with your right index and your hand in that position.

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