[Help Thread] ZBLL discussion

Berkmann18 · Aug 25, 2015

OLLiver said:
Whats the general consensus on S and As ZBLL cases, considering the Algs for the OLLs are sub 0.4able. I have no doubt about T/U/PI etc. These cases are FABULOUS. But I am questioning ZBLL for S and As. What do the pros say about this? Do you find yourself using ZBLLs for S/As?

I do use them or at the least the COLLs which are more useful than just doing OLL/PLL.

OLLiver · Sep 4, 2015

Some of my thoughts on ZBLL memorisation.
So A large problem I had for mass memorisation of ZBLL is how to do it in a shorter time.
My current solution is Breaking an algorithm into chunks, like Sexy, RUR'U which I call sausage (don't ask why). then I create an image of each part which I have organised into Mental rooms by COLL case. So one room has 12 algorithms converted into 12 images. I have done 12 algs in like 1 hour with this method. It takes time to convert the Alg into a good image but Its worth it.

Eventually you don't need the room any more and the entire alg is muscle memory purely and Recognised by colour blocks. I intend to learn the rest of the U set purely by this method as fast as possible. I wish I Had more time for ZBLL but exams are in 4 weeks ARGGGH

WowIsThatA10x10 · Oct 8, 2015

Where can I find the last slot algs for phasing?( the algs that permute two corners while inserting the last f2l pair).
Thanks

supercavitation · Oct 8, 2015

WowIsThatA10x10 said:
Where can I find the last slot algs for phasing?( the algs that permute two corners while inserting the last f2l pair).
Thanks

a) That's not what phasing does, phasing permutes opposite edges (so they might not be correctly permuted, but opposite colors are across from each other.
b) R U' R', R U2 R', and R U R' U' R U' R' should be all the inserts you need.

WowIsThatA10x10 · Oct 11, 2015

supercavitation said:
a) That's not what phasing does, phasing permutes opposite edges (so they might not be correctly permuted, but opposite colors are across from each other.
b) R U' R', R U2 R', and R U R' U' R U' R' should be all the inserts you need.

Ok thank you- that's a relief!

OLLiver · Oct 12, 2015

good afternoon peeps
Does anyone have a good Alg for the ZBLL with the U COLL case with 2 horizontal solid colour blocks , edge cycle O/O? (waves at bindedsa) I have looked everywhere imaginable and no nice algs exist

Petro Leum · Oct 12, 2015

OLLiver said:
good afternoon peeps
Does anyone have a good Alg for the ZBLL with the U COLL case with 2 horizontal solid colour blocks , edge cycle O/O? (waves at bindedsa) I have looked everywhere imaginable and no nice algs exist

would be cool if you explained better what alg you mean or just post a picture. considering you said there are no nice algs, i suppose it's not

R U' R' U R U' L U L' U x' U2 R U2 R2

right?

OLLiver · Oct 12, 2015

Petro Leum said:
would be cool if you explained better what alg you mean or just post a picture. considering you said there are no nice algs, i suppose it's not

R U' R' U R U' L U L' U x' U2 R U2 R2

right?

Ah yes, http://algdb.net/Set/ZBLL U number 36 on the list. also congrats on nearly full ZZLL!

PenguinsDontFly · Oct 12, 2015

do any roux users know full zbll? if yes, please pm me cuz I want to try something.

Bindedsa · Oct 12, 2015

OLLiver said:
good afternoon peeps
Does anyone have a good Alg for the ZBLL with the U COLL case with 2 horizontal solid colour blocks , edge cycle O/O? (waves at bindedsa) I have looked everywhere imaginable and no nice algs exist

Which case do you mean? Can you provided images or a set up alg. BTW, I sometimes miss posts in this thread, so if you want to see if I have a good alg for a case just message me.

Oh:

OLLiver said:
Ah yes, http://algdb.net/Set/ZBLL U number 36 on the list. also congrats on nearly full ZZLL!

F R U R U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R' U2 R U' R' U' F'

Brest · Oct 12, 2015

OLLiver said:
Ah yes, http://algdb.net/Set/ZBLL U number 36 on the list. also congrats on nearly full ZZLL!

<R,U,F> (only 2 F moves)
R' U2 R U' R' F2 R U' R' U R U R2 F2 R U' R
R' U2 R U' R' U2 R' F2 R U2 R U2 R' F2 U R
R2 U2 R' U' R U' R2 U F R U' R' U R U R2 F' R

F<R,U>F'
F R U R U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R' U2 R U' R' U' F'
F R U R U2 R' U R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R' U' F'

<R,U,D> (only 2 D moves / no UD combos)
R U2 R2' U' R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R U' R U' R'
R' D R U R U2 R' U R U2 R' U R U2 R2 D' R
R' U' R U' R2 U2 R U R D' R U' R' U R U R' D R'
R U2 R' U2 R U' R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' U R U' R'
R U2 R2 U' R' U R' D' R U' R' D R2 U R U' R U' R'
R U2 R2 U R U' R' D' R U R' U' R U' R' D R2 U' R'
R' D' R U2 R' D R U R U2 R' U R U2 R' U R U2 R'

<3 cycle + sune combos)
(R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2') U (R' U2 R U R' U R)
(R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R') U' (R U2 R' U' R U' R')
(R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2) U2 (R' U' R U' R' U2 R)
(R U2 R' U' R U' R') U2 (R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2)
(R2 D R' U R D' R2 U R) U2 (R' U R' U' R U' R' U2 R)
(R U R2 D' R U R' D R2 U2 R') U (R' U' R U' R' U2 R)

<F,R,U,D>
R U R' F R2 U R' D R2 D' R U' R2 F'
R2' F R U R U' R' F' R U' R2 D' R U R' D R2

Bindedsa · Oct 12, 2015

I added all of my U and T ZBLLs to alg.db. I'll try to finish the other cases within the next few days, but who knows.

OLLiver · Oct 12, 2015

Bindedsa said:
Which case do you mean? Can you provided images or a set up alg. BTW, I sometimes miss posts in this thread, so if you want to see if I have a good alg for a case just message me.

Oh:

F R U R U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R' U2 R U' R' U' F'

Ahh thats perfect. I wish we could like download you into an encyclopaedia or something haha. But srsly how did you get all these good algs? is there are way to generate them yourself?

E: thanks Brest, Where exactly did you get all those alternatives from?

Lazy Einstein · Oct 12, 2015

Bindedsa said:
I added all of my U and T ZBLLs to alg.db. I'll try to finish the other cases within the next few days, but who knows.

Cool. I will confirm them and add this week. I will also check the site more this week than usual for more algs.

willtri4 · Oct 12, 2015

OLLiver said:
is there are way to generate them yourself?

Cube explorer. Although those often aren't good.

2180161 · Oct 13, 2015

Can anyone link to a good tutorial for recognizing ZBLL? I recognize my COLL just fine, but I don't know how to recognize the EP

Bindedsa · Oct 13, 2015

willtri4 said:
Cube explorer. Although those often aren't good.

I use cube Explorer to find all of my algs.

4Chan · Oct 13, 2015

willtri4 said:
Cube explorer. Although those often aren't good.

Bindedsa said:
I use cube Explorer to find all of my algs.

Same here, I've also used Cube Explorer, and it's great.

Bindedsa · Oct 13, 2015

People who know a pretty large amount of cases. What would you consider the worst?

OLLiver · Oct 13, 2015

Bindedsa said:
People who know a pretty large amount of cases. What would you consider the worst?

define a large amount of cases pls.

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