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Mostly doing Sq-1 here ... next step taken today sub20 a50: 19.919

Next sub20 a100!

best avg50: 19.919 (σ = 1.79) (21 parities)
best avg12: 18.608 (σ = 1.28) (4 p)
best avg5: 18.115 (σ = 1.26) (2 p)
best time: 13.342 (EO skip)

21.304[p], 22.463[p], (13.920), 19.616[p], 18.149, 19.655[p], 19.896, 22.208[p], 21.022[p], 17.329, 20.962, 19.878, 18.349, 20.504, 19.047[p], 17.430[p], (31.515), 20.237, (23.659[p]), 22.118, (23.674[p]), 21.198, 19.904, 23.549[p], 16.206, 22.248[p], 18.991, 19.612[p], 22.598[p], 21.688[p], 17.260, 19.336, 17.491, 21.861[p], 23.078, 19.750, 21.768[p], (13.342), 19.319[p], 17.261, 21.532[p], 19.567, (15.930), 17.517[p], 19.921, 18.989, 19.458[p], 19.311, 18.809, 18.055
 

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Well, I'm still not a speedcuber, but I did spend about two hours restickering puzzles tonight, and am now thoroughly geeked at everything matching. :D

At the moment I enjoy solving 4x4 and Square-1 the best, Pyraminx and 2x2 not so much. Though I still haven't found an algorithm to solve 4x4 parity that I can understand, but I'll keep looking. I have another 2x2 and 4x4 on the way from Cubezz, along with a Skewb and a few other toys.

I still have only two 3x3s (a TangLong and a Cyclone Boys), so since this seems to me to be kind of the staple puzzle, I think it makes the most sense for me to buy 6-8 more and just see what I like the best. I do love my TangLong but since this is a hobby where one can spend $100 and get maybe a dozen cubes, I think I'd be foolish not to try a few more. The GuanLong, QiYi Sail, and YuXin Fire are so cheap that there's no point not trying all of them. The Thunderclap gets such rave reviews and is so attractively priced that it seems worth trying also. I have no DaYan puzzles, so I should probably try a few of those as well. Though things like corner-twisting and corner-cutting don't apply to me very much right now, one day they might matter. For now I just want puzzles that don't feel gross or make horrible noises when you turn them.

I don't know much about tools either, but I could always take any 3x3s I don't like as much and try turning them into FrankenCubes, or else trade them away here for something else. :)
 

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Maybe you could add a 5x5 (Yuxin or Bochuang) and a Megaminx if you don't have one (and a cuboid). But it doesn't have to be at the same time, better one at a time.


I've ordered a stickerless Thunderclap, if I can't "see" the green (colorblind) I'll try replacing it with the black from other Thunderclap. If that doesn't work well I'll try a Meiying and if it's a nice cube I'll buy it stickerless, it's available in more colors.
 
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New PBs on 3x3 today:
- 19.83 mo3 (previous PB was 20.61 set on Jan 20)
- 21.63 ao5 (21.87 from Jan 8)
- 23.13 ao12 (23.83 from Feb 4)
- 25.33 mo100 (26.01 from Jan 20)

It's strange that I beat them all today (single PB was not far also), may be in part because of doing longer sessions, I did like 75 solves in a row (120 total solves today), instead of doing 15-25 like I use to do. And I was ill last 10 days or so, apparently I'm better now, although my head doesn't feel like 100% ok and my eyes feel tired still. Also I learned the L CMLL set a few weeks ago but this is the first time I feel I'm faster with it (at least 5 of the 6 cases) than with 2-look.

100. 27.519 L2 B2 U2 F2 U L2 U2 F2 U2 F U R2 L2 B' R L F' D U'
26.053 U F2 R2 L2 D R2 U L2 D B2 R' U2 R2 L B L' F' D' B2 F2 R
29.550 L2 B2 L2 F2 U2 R2 D F2 D L2 U' F' U B R' F R2 U F' D2 L2
26.958 D2 F2 L2 D' L2 F2 D B2 R2 U B2 R' D' B' F U' L D R' L2 U'
28.045 B2 D U2 R2 D R2 L2 D B2 F2 R2 B' D' U2 F2 D' R' B' U' F' L'
21.342 D F2 U F2 U' L2 D2 B2 R2 U2 F B2 R' B2 F' D B' U B' F2
21.551 L2 B2 L2 D L2 F2 U F2 D L2 D2 F' U2 B2 R B' F U2 L2 D L U
19.310 U L2 D2 F2 L2 U' L2 D' L2 F2 D B U' F' L' B2 U B' R' U' B' D'
22.719 U B2 U' F2 U' B2 U2 R2 B2 U L2 B' D2 B R B D' L' B2 D' F2 U'
22.079 F2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 F2 D F2 U' R2 B' D2 U L' F' U B D L' D' U'
25.014 D F2 D2 R2 D' B2 R2 F2 U B2 U' R U B' L2 D B' L' B2 R L' U2
21.005 L2 U2 B2 F2 U' F2 U B2 U2 F2 L2 B' F2 L' U L2 D' L D F R2 U2
33.110 D2 F2 L2 B2 R2 U L2 U' R2 B2 F2 R B2 D F L' B F2 R' L' F2
26.157 R2 D' B2 F2 L2 D B2 R2 B2 D U' R D2 B' U R2 U' F' R L2 U
25.446 R2 U F2 U R2 D L2 F2 U B2 U' R D2 F2 D R' L2 U2 R2 L2 U'
24.238 R2 B2 U L2 U' F2 L2 D2 R2 D' F U R' D R2 U F' R L U
30.806 U F2 D2 R2 D2 U F2 R2 U' L2 U2 R' B2 F R2 L D2 L D' U' L2 F'
27.150 R2 B2 U F2 D' B2 L2 D2 U L2 U' R' L2 U' B U2 L' D' R U' F' D
24.975 U R2 U L2 F2 D' R2 L2 U F2 U2 L' U2 F2 L' F' U R F L D
21.151 L2 D R2 U R2 B2 D' F2 D2 F2 U' L B' R2 B F2 U R2 B' U L'
26.254 D' B2 D' U' L2 B2 U' L2 F2 U R2 F U' L B' F2 L' U L2 B R2 U'
29.367 R2 U F2 R2 F2 D2 F2 U R2 U' F2 L D B U' R2 L' F' R2 L' F2
25.999 B2 D R2 L2 U F2 D L2 D B2 D2 R' D R2 U2 L' B' F L F2 L
21.453 D' L2 D B2 L2 U B2 D2 R2 D' R2 B' U F L2 F2 L' U' L' F2 D'
25.183 L2 F2 R2 L2 U' R2 B2 L2 U2 L B' F2 D L2 D' R D F R U'
21.663 L2 D2 L2 F2 D R2 L2 D' R2 U2 F2 R' U2 L F' D' B F2 R' F2 L2
24.655 U R2 B2 D' R2 U' F2 U F2 U' R2 F' D' B' R' F L2 U2 L2 B
23.367 D' F2 R2 B2 F2 U L2 D2 R2 D2 U' F L2 U' F2 R' D2 U2 R D2 L2
22.598 D2 F2 D R2 D' U2 R2 B2 R2 U' R' D' F D' U2 F' L D U'
18.935 B2 F2 R2 F2 U2 L2 D' F2 D' B2 U' R' F2 R' B D2 B2 L2 D' L2 F' U'
17.951 U' F2 U' R2 U' B2 F2 L2 U F2 D R' U F' R' B2 D B' R2 D
27.622 B2 D' F2 L2 D F2 D' U2 B2 D2 L2 B' D2 F2 U L2 B2 U' R F' U
27.431 L2 B2 R2 D' U' R2 F2 D' F2 U2 R2 B D' B F' D F' U2 R L
32.204 D F2 U' R2 F2 D' B2 D F2 D2 U' L' B L2 F' D2 L D' U2 F2 U2
23.238 U' B2 U R2 D2 B2 F2 U' L2 U' B L' U R F2 D' B2 F L2 U2 R'
23.327 U R2 D' L2 U2 F2 D' R2 B2 R2 B2 R' D' B2 R' F' D' R U2 F' R' U
22.269 R2 F2 D' L2 U R2 B2 U' R2 F2 D F' D' R D' L' B2 U2 F' R' U
19.270 R2 U R2 U2 R2 F2 R2 B2 U F2 U2 F' R L' F' R2 U2 B F2 U B2 D'
28.062 F2 U L2 B2 F2 D F2 D' B2 F2 U' B' L' U2 R' F L' U F' L2 U'
21.125 U2 L2 F2 U' R2 D' B2 D2 F2 D F2 L U' F R' U B2 U2 B F2 D2 U'
24.728 D' U' L2 D2 R2 U' R2 B2 L2 B2 L' F' D' F R U2 F' R B F2 D
24.414 D2 R2 D2 F2 R2 F2 U' F2 L2 F2 L2 B U' F2 D' U' F U' R' F' L' U'
26.262 B2 F2 L2 D F2 D' B2 L2 B2 U R2 B' D' L' D L2 F' D F' D2 R2 U
25.783 U R2 F2 R2 D2 F2 D' L2 D L2 D2 F' D B F D2 R B D' L' D U
25.622 B2 D2 R2 L2 D F2 R2 U' R2 D F2 L' F2 R' F D' F U' B' U2 R2 U'
24.476 R2 D R2 U' F2 R2 D U2 B2 R2 D' B' D U2 B2 R D' R2 L B' L D2
25.894 D B2 L2 U B2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 L2 B R2 L2 D' B' R' B2 R' F' D'
24.222 R2 L2 U' F2 D' F2 D2 B2 R2 D L2 B R2 F' R' F' R2 D F2 D2 R2
24.453 D' R2 U2 L2 D F2 L2 D' F2 R2 U' R F U2 R D' U' B2 U2 R F' U2
24.583 U L2 U F2 D2 L2 F2 D F2 U B2 L' U R U2 F' U L2 U R' L' U2
23.854 D L2 F2 R2 D2 L2 F2 D' U2 F2 D F' D F L2 D2 F' U2 R' L B L'
24.206 U' B2 L2 F2 D R2 D R2 D R2 U' F' U' L F2 R' U L B L' F' U2
27.486 F2 D' B2 L2 U L2 U R2 D2 L2 D L' D U F R U' F R2 L2 D2
28.278 L2 U B2 U' F2 U' B2 D F2 D' L' B' D R2 F D' R2 B2 U' B
29.589 B2 R2 F2 D F2 U' B2 D' B2 U2 L B L' F U R' L U2 F2 R2
25.055 B2 F2 D2 U' B2 D B2 R2 F2 U2 R' B' F' U' R U B2 U2 R' D' U'
22.775 D2 U B2 R2 U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U R2 F U' R' U B' L2 U B2 L F L2
25.182 L2 D L2 D2 L2 F2 U' R2 B2 L2 U R' D' U' B R U' R2 L' D' B
26.256 B2 D2 B2 R2 U' B2 L2 D B2 U' F' L D2 L2 B U' B2 D2 F U'
26.703 U' F2 U B2 U R2 F2 U2 F2 D2 U2 B' F' R' F U' L' U2 L D F' U'
22.183 B2 R2 D2 L2 D' U' B2 U B2 R2 U F R2 D B' R' D2 R' L' D2 B2 D
24.286 U' R2 F2 D' B2 D' R2 U B2 U' L2 F' D2 L D B2 R2 F2 U' R' B
27.061 D2 L2 D B2 D' U' R2 D' B2 U' B2 L' D2 U' R U F' L U F2 U'
26.566 D2 B2 R2 B2 R2 F2 L2 D R2 B2 F2 L' F' R2 U R D' B2 L D F' U
23.750 D L2 D L2 B2 U' F2 L2 D L2 D B' R' U2 F' U2 B' D L F
22.094 F2 D' R2 B2 D' B2 D2 L2 U2 R2 U' B L' B' U2 R' U' B2 L F2 L2 U'
21.520 F2 D' F2 U L2 F2 U' R2 U L2 U F L' B2 F' L2 B D' F R' F
25.386 B2 U L2 B2 U' B2 U' R2 L2 F2 D' L' D L' U B R D2 L' U' R2
26.615 B2 L2 F2 L2 U' L2 D2 B2 U L2 U F' U' R U' F' D' L' F2 R L
27.966 B2 D' L2 B2 D B2 U' R2 D' L2 D R' B2 F' U L2 B D2 U2 R2 F2 U'
18.495 D' B2 R2 D' R2 F2 U R2 F2 R2 U' F R D B D2 F2 L' B' D R'
29.598 F2 D R2 U' B2 F2 L2 U' F2 U R2 F R' B' R' D' B L2 F D' F2
22.294 L2 U' F2 D B2 U F2 U2 L2 D' B2 R U L2 D2 F2 U2 B U' R2 U2
25.646 L2 D2 L2 D B2 D2 U F2 D' R2 L2 F' U2 L' B2 R' B' U L F2 L
27.967 U2 L2 U' F2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 U R2 F U B' F' R2 B' U2 L' D' R' U
29.958 U2 F2 D L2 B2 U B2 D2 B2 R2 D2 F' L D2 U R' B2 L F R2 B' U'
28.021 D' F2 D' R2 U' B2 L2 B2 U F2 U' L B' R' D' U F U' F2 U2 B U'
39.597 F2 R2 U2 B2 L2 D' U' F2 L2 U' B2 L' U2 R L2 B' L D2 B' D' L D2
27.374 D' L2 F2 D F2 U2 F2 L2 U' B2 U2 R B U B2 R2 D R' D U2 F'
21.375 F2 L2 D B2 U2 R2 U B2 R2 U2 B' R' B2 L' D2 B' L D B' D2
38.879 U' L2 U2 R2 D L2 U B2 U R2 U F U' F U L U' R2 F' D' R' U
23.167 D' U F2 R2 L2 U2 B2 L2 U F2 U' L D B' R' D2 R' D' B2 L' B2 F
29.445 D' L2 B2 L2 D U' L2 F2 L2 U L2 F D' R2 D' L' U L U' L U2
23.463 R2 B2 L2 F2 D L2 D' U2 L2 F2 L2 F' D' L D' U' R' D' L U L
22.271 B2 F2 U' L2 D' F2 D2 L2 D L2 U B' L2 F U B2 L' B' R' L' U2
23.503 R2 U B2 L2 U2 L2 D F2 R2 L2 U L D' L' U2 R F D2 R2 F L
25.487 L2 F2 U2 F2 U B2 U2 R2 F2 L2 F2 L D2 L F D' B2 F2 L' F D2
29.030 F2 D B2 R2 F2 R2 D' F2 L2 F2 U2 L' F' R' U R2 B F2 R U2 L'
30.539 U' F2 D L2 F2 U' R2 B2 U' B2 U F U2 R' L U L2 F R' U2 F U
22.687 R2 U' F2 U R2 U' R2 U' L2 B2 D R' D' R D B2 L' F' R' L U2
33.222 D2 R2 D2 F2 L2 F2 U' R2 L2 D' L F R' F L2 D' B' R D' F U2
24.198 D R2 U2 L2 U2 B2 D U' F2 U2 F' D2 U F2 L' D' R B' U R2
25.799 F2 L2 B2 L2 U' R2 B2 D' F2 R2 U' R' D B D2 U' B D2 F U2 F U'
24.911 D' B2 D L2 U2 R2 D' R2 F2 L2 F2 R B' U' F' U2 L B' U2 B F
21.495 U2 L2 D2 R2 F2 L2 F2 L2 D2 F' L' F' U R2 B D U2 B' F2 U'
24.686 U L2 D2 U L2 D' R2 U' F2 R2 U' B R' D2 R2 L' B U B L' U
26.639 F2 R2 B2 D' U2 R2 U' F2 U' B2 U B' L' D U B' D B F2 L' B'
20.365 F2 D' B2 U R2 D2 B2 L2 D2 F2 D R' B L' F2 R' B F2 D2 B F
23.048 U2 B2 U R2 D' B2 U L2 U' F2 D2 R' F' R' B2 F' R B' L U' B2 U2
1. 26.750 L2 U' B2 F2 U' L2 B2 D2 L2 U' L2 B' L' F' R' D' L2 D F U F2 U
 
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I'll try to do longer sessions more frequently, maybe just 50 solves, I get tired when doing more than that and I can't do more than 100 everyday... well, at least not until I average less than 10 seconds :eek:
 

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Maybe you could add a 5x5 (Yuxin or Bochuang) and a Megaminx if you don't have one (and a cuboid). But it doesn't have to be at the same time, better one at a time.
Megaminx frankly terrifies me. So do mirror blocks, but I've ordered a 2x2 one anyway just in case I like it after all. The 5x5 will probably happen eventually, but I hope nothing larger than that. As for cuboids, I hear that the 2x3x3 is the most common first purchase for beginners.

Meanwhile, after filing off the flash on the core and lubing and tensioning it, the Cyclone Boys 3x3 is noticeably better, though still not as good as the TangLong. I'm thinking of seeing whether I can get little washers for it at Home Depot. The Cyclone Boys 4x4 is also gradually getting better as others here have said it would, but I'm still curious to see what the GuanSu will be like in comparison.

ETA: Forgot to mention that I also want one of these things.
 
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Megaminx looks much scarier than it is (is probably even easier for a CFOP solver, I'm still solving it a piece at a time instead of inserting pairs like in 3x3 F2L), until last layer is easy... and last layer is not difficult at all -> tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWI6Bdao5Y4

Yeah, Megaminx is a lot of fun but I agree that solving 3x3 with CFOP is a big plus to start with. Anyway, I still spend more than half the time looking around for pieces instead of solving and my lookahead is 0. But with the ShengShou it's a bit better. With the YJ Yuhu (black version) I wasn't even able to spot the dang edges, as the stickers on those are soo tiny. Also the Yuhu is so wobbly. The SS is more stable but it catches a lot unless you are willing to spend some good hours modding it (and breathing plastic powder). :)
 

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Suppose for FU-BU you do U and LU-RU. If you swap letters during memo, you can always use this solution regardless of whether FU occurs on an odd or even target. If it occurs on an even target, you are in fact solving BD-BU, because at that point BD is displaced to FU, but you don't need to care about that at exec time. You only have to think about that one pair. Being able to use comms for even-odd pairs as well as odd-even without thinking is very useful if you're adding comms to basic M2.

Now if FU occurs second in the pair, you must remember to swap it back. So if you had memoed as BU-FU you would always do B' and execute as BR-BL, but again that is regardless of whether the pair is odd-even or even-odd.

Whether it's more complicated or simpler depends how you think, I guess. Instead of having to remember to swap every M slice target if it occurs on an even target, you have to remember that if you're doing a comm or other 2-letter solution and the second in the pair is an M slice target, then you must swap it. For me personally, I find the latter simpler, as the swap depends only on the pair and not on its position in the sequence - each pair always has the same solution.

Thanks, that clears things up for me. So it requires that you swap the target back if it's the 2nd of a pair that you are executing together. It would take a little practice to get used to, but it's nothing complicated. And I've always just executed one pair at a time (during memo and memo recall, not necessarily executing the pair together), so didn't fully realize the benefit of the targets staying the same if it was odd-even or even-odd.
 

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It took 3 days of trying to catch a sub-16 Ao5 on camera but I got it eventually. lol


Two days running with an 11.x PLL skip but that's just lucky. ;)
 
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I still have only two 3x3s (a TangLong and a Cyclone Boys), so since this seems to me to be kind of the staple puzzle, I think it makes the most sense for me to buy 6-8 more and just see what I like the best. I do love my TangLong but since this is a hobby where one can spend $100 and get maybe a dozen cubes, I think I'd be foolish not to try a few more. The GuanLong, QiYi Sail, and YuXin Fire are so cheap that there's no point not trying all of them. The Thunderclap gets such rave reviews and is so attractively priced that it seems worth trying also. I have no DaYan puzzles, so I should probably try a few of those as well. Though things like corner-twisting and corner-cutting don't apply to me very much right now, one day they might matter. For now I just want puzzles that don't feel gross or make horrible noises when you turn them.

I don't know much about tools either, but I could always take any 3x3s I don't like as much and try turning them into FrankenCubes, or else trade them away here for something else. :)

I got the GuoGuan YueXiao this week and I doubt I will go back to my TangLong(s) or HuaLong(s). Have a look at the online reviews and be sure to give it a go!
 

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I have been thinking I'd give an overall update on my cubing life for a while, so here goes. :)

I finally finished learning full OLL. Still have a 2 or 3 that are slow because I have to think too much, but they are there. My average is stuck right around 23-24. With that average if I do an ao100 I'll usually pop above 25 once or twice on ao12. And with the pressure during my weekly race to sub 25 it's making it difficult! I just got in a 24.86 for this week after DNF last week. That's ok though because even if I graduate I'll be quite a while till I can approach the sub 20 average.

After learning full OLL I feel like I can give myself permission to learn other cube stuff. I think I'm different than a lot of cubers in that I don't want to get into too much at once, and I'm sure it would probably even be good practice, but I just can't. If I have too much that I'm shooting for at once it gets too frustrating for me.

So I'm actually practicing 2x2 some now and that's fun. I'm going to the KC event in April and signed up for it there. I signed up before I could even do it without cheat sheets, but it only took me about an afternoon to straighten out those algs in my head. :) I'm averaging like 18 seconds on that, with an occasional 8 or 9 second, and an occasional 50+ second when I get the algs all messed up and do it wrong a few times in a single solve!

I also decided to watch some more 4x4 tutorials and have gotten a lot more interested in that! I really like the Hoya method, and the 3-2-3 edge pairing is wonderful compared to the first way I "learned" (term used loosely). I had some frustration when I kept getting 2 final edges instead of 3, but I finally found a video to help me through that. I still have to fully memorize the parity algs, but I might do my first real timed solve soon. I even asked if I could add it as a late event for KC if I get under the 2:30 hard cutoff, which I'm not sure if I can. What's the difference in a hard and soft cutoff anyway? Maybe I'll film a 5 or 6 minute 4x4 solve, it'd be kind of like sharing those early 40-50 second 3x3 vids (only more boring!).

I keep enjoying all the awesome stuff from this thread! Nice sub 16 ao5 Mike (if you made it this far reading).
 

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What's the difference in a hard and soft cutoff anyway?

Soft Cutoff:

You have two attempts to beat the soft cutoff. If you beat it, you are permitted to take the remaining 3 attempts for your average of 5.
For 6x6 and 7x7, you only have 1 attempt to beat the soft cutoff before you can complete your mean of 3.

Hard Cutoff:

If you don't complete the solve before the hard cutoff, the judge will stop you and record your solve as a DNF.
 

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Soft Cutoff:

You have two attempts to beat the soft cutoff. If you beat it, you are permitted to take the remaining 3 attempts for your average of 5.
For 6x6 and 7x7, you only have 1 attempt to beat the soft cutoff before you can complete your mean of 3.

Hard Cutoff:

If you don't complete the solve before the hard cutoff, the judge will stop you and record your solve as a DNF.
Thanks! I was about to cry for help to you about my edge pairing issues, but I think I got is straight... Maybe.
 

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Suppose for FU-BU you do U and LU-RU.

Hey, that sounds interesting. I have no cube on me to test this... but I did not use M2 because those annoying algs in de M layer targets. Do you also have a trick like this for BD? I might actually start doing M2 then :)

If you swap letters during memo, you can always use this solution regardless of whether FU occurs on an odd or even target. If it occurs on an even target, you are in fact solving BD-BU, because at that point BD is displaced to FU, but you don't need to care about that at exec time.

That's very nifty. So you have nothing to worry about during execution, if you just pay attention for the M-slice targets during memo. Brilliant stuff Mark!
 

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I finally finished learning full OLL.
Already full OLL? Next COLL, EPLL, WV and OLLCP, right? :p

I even asked if I could add it as a late event for KC if I get under the 2:30 hard cutoff, which I'm not sure if I can.
In April? don't worry, sure you can, I've done less than 150 solves and I'm almost at 2:30 using simple reduction and building 1 edge pair at a time.
 
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