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The 3x3x3 Example Solve Thread

Duncan Bannon

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y2 z // Inspect
U R' F R U2 B' L U2 L' B' R U' R'// Cross and first pair
y U' L U' L' U2 L U' L'// Second Pair
y' U2 R' U R U' R' U' R// Third Pair
y' L' U' L U L' U' L// Forth pair
U2 R U2 R2 F R F' R U2 R'// OLL
U2 R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' U'// T-Perm PLL

Next: B' D F B' L' B' L' U' R F U2 B' L2 B D2 F' D2 R2 D

Go on to my next scramble.

Z2 X' Y U' D' R X'- 2x2x1
Y2 L' U L D- 2x2x2
U2 R2 B' U2 B U F' U F X' Y' - 2x2x3
R2 U' R F' U' F - F2L-1
U' B U B' U2 B U' B'- F2L

This a 30 f2l which I'm happy with for my first real FMC Atttempt (using blocks and such, not just efficient CFOP). However, OLL/PLL takes another 25 moves. Or about same moves as F2L. How do I avoid this when doing FMC? Thanks
 
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U - 2x2x1
L2 D' R L U R' - 2x2x2 with 1 extra pair
F2 B D B'- 2x2x3

11 move 2x2x3

I couldn't find anything good after this. If someone would like to help, that would be great.

Next-R' U' F U' D2 F2 B' R2 L2 U L F2 B2 U' L2 B2 D2 R2 U B2 D R2 F R' U' F
 

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I couldn't find anything good after this. If someone would like to help, that would be great.
What scramble?

R' U' F U' D2 F2 B' R2 L2 U L F2 B2 U' L2 B2 D2 R2 U B2 D R2 F R' U' F

Leor : 38 STM

y2 B' U' D2 M2' B // (5) Left
R D r' U' r D' U r2 U' M2' // (10/15) EO-Middle
U' R U' R' U2 R U' R' U R' U' R // (12/27) Right
y R D' R2' U R U R' U2' R2 D R' // (11/38) ZBLL U


NEXT: B2 U' B2 R2 U L2 F2 L2 F2 U B2 L' F D2 F' R B R D' B D'
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I used
B' U B' R' L D B D2 B' D2 R F2 L' U2 R D2 B2 D2
General rule of thumb: Ending in LL is generally a very bad idea for FMC. Use of blockbuilding, influencing future steps, and commutators/conjugates are the most important things to have in your toolbox for FMC. What most top FMC solvers do is a Petrus style solve; usually doing 2x2x2->2x2x3+EO and building F2L while solving to an LxC state (which usually is L3/4C including an F2L corner.) Here's my attempt with this scramble (21 moves):

B' L' B U//2x2x2
z2 U' R2 F2 R F' R F'//EO2x2x3
U2 R2 U D' R U R' D R' U//L3C redux


Notice how I utilized premade pairs to make the rest of the solve more efficient, especially during EO. I saw the pair in DRB and knew I needed to preserve it to make L3C very simple. I utilize it during LxC redux to make it very efficient. Also, notice how I didn't restrict myself to just <RU> while doing F2L->L3C redux. By incorporating other moves, you can solve all the edges much more efficiently. While there were two 4 move 2x2x2's and I tested all their directions, this was the most efficient one that I saw, so I used it.

At this point, the cube can be solved using a simple 9 move commutator (29 moves):

B' L' B U//2x2x2
z2 U' R2 F2 R F' R F'//EO2x2x3
U2 R2 U D' R U R' D R'//L3C redux
U' B' D B U' B' D' B U'//L3C


However, when we do a "true" FMC solve, it is generally done without any rotations, hence why this final solution will be slightly different. We will use what is known as an "insertion" to solve the corners early in the solve, which can save several moves. This is a very important technique that I can't explain very well, so I'd recommend looking it up on the Forums or a YT search. Anyway, here's the end solution (27):

B' L' B U D' [#] L2 F2 L F' L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D
#: D2 L' U' L D2 L' U L

B' L' B U D' [D2 L' U' L D2 L' U L] L2 F2 L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D

B' L' B U D L' U' L D2 L' U L' F2 L F' L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D

Good solution for me, feel like it had a lot of good techniques for beginning FMC solvers.

I know this isn't massively helpful, but I urge you to continue with FMC, it's a really fun event IMO. GO to the FMC thread here on the forums, watch tutorials, read on techniques, etc. No shortage of material on FMC. I reccomend going on the weekly FMC challenge website to see tons of good example solves as well. Hope this helped in some way to the basics anyway!

Oh and Roux, 38

y R F' U' L' D2 F//FB
U R' U r2 U M U' R2 U2 R//SB
U' R U R' U R' F R F' R U2 R'//CMLL
M U2 M U M2 U M2 U2 M' U'//LSE


NEXT: B U2 F R2 B' L2 B2 F' L2 F R' B L B D' L' U B D' R U
 
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R2 D2 B2 D2 U2 F' U2 B R2 B L2 U' B2 R U2 B L2 R2 F

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CFOP

z' D2 U2 L' B L2 B' D2// x-cross
U2 R U2 R2 U R// F2L-1
R U2 R' F U F'// F2L-2
U' R U' R' F R' F' R// F2L-3
F' U' L' U L F// OLL
(Ga-Perm)// PLL

[Ga-Perm = R2 u R' U R' U' R u' R2 y' R' U R]

NEXT: U L' F' U2 B L2 U R' L' D' R2 L2 U2 F' B' U2 D2 F' U2 B' U2
 

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General rule of thumb: Ending in LL is generally a very bad idea for FMC. Use of blockbuilding, influencing future steps, and commutators/conjugates are the most important things to have in your toolbox for FMC. What most top FMC solvers do is a Petrus style solve; usually doing 2x2x2->2x2x3+EO and building F2L while solving to an LxC state (which usually is L3/4C including an F2L corner.) Here's my attempt with this scramble (21 moves):

B' L' B U//2x2x2
z2 U' R2 F2 R F' R F'//EO2x2x3
U2 R2 U D' R U R' D R' U//L3C redux


Notice how I utilized premade pairs to make the rest of the solve more efficient, especially during EO. I saw the pair in DRB and knew I needed to preserve it to make L3C very simple. I utilize it during LxC redux to make it very efficient. Also, notice how I didn't restrict myself to just <RU> while doing F2L->L3C redux. By incorporating other moves, you can solve all the edges much more efficiently. While there were two 4 move 2x2x2's and I tested all their directions, this was the most efficient one that I saw, so I used it.

At this point, the cube can be solved using a simple 9 move commutator (29 moves):

B' L' B U//2x2x2
z2 U' R2 F2 R F' R F'//EO2x2x3
U2 R2 U D' R U R' D R'//L3C redux
U' B' D B U' B' D' B U'//L3C


However, when we do a "true" FMC solve, it is generally done without any rotations, hence why this final solution will be slightly different. We will use what is known as an "insertion" to solve the corners early in the solve, which can save several moves. This is a very important technique that I can't explain very well, so I'd recommend looking it up on the Forums or a YT search. Anyway, here's the end solution (27):

B' L' B U D' [#] L2 F2 L F' L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D
#: D2 L' U' L D2 L' U L

B' L' B U D' [D2 L' U' L D2 L' U L] L2 F2 L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D

B' L' B U D L' U' L D2 L' U L' F2 L F' L F' D2 L2 D U' L D L' U L' D

Good solution for me, feel like it had a lot of good techniques for beginning FMC solvers.

I know this isn't massively helpful, but I urge you to continue with FMC, it's a really fun event IMO. GO to the FMC thread here on the forums, watch tutorials, read on techniques, etc. No shortage of material on FMC. I reccomend going on the weekly FMC challenge website to see tons of good example solves as well. Hope this helped in some way to the basics anyway!

Oh and Roux, 38

y R F' U' L' D2 F//FB
U R' U r2 U M U' R2 U2 R//SB
U' R U R' U R' F R F' R U2 R'//CMLL
M U2 M U M2 U M2 U2 M' U'//LSE


NEXT: B U2 F R2 B' L2 B2 F' L2 F R' B L B D' L' U B D' R U

A skeleton is making what you did in the first solution. To get to a few corners or edges right? This was very helpful, but of course I will have to research more into it. Thank You!

Edit- Do you think that it is okay to learn insertions,skeletons,NISS,Premoves etc? Or should I work on block building and EO? And get X good then move on to more complex things? Also are corner comm's intuitive?
 
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A skeleton is making what you did in the first solution. To get to a few corners or edges right? This was very helpful, but of course I will have to research more into it. Thank You!

Edit- Do you think that it is okay to learn insertions,skeletons,NISS,Premoves etc? Or should I work on block building and EO? And get X good then move on to more complex things? Also are corner comm's intuitive?
Yes, the first thing I did is called a skeleton! Glad to know my post was of some help.

I reccomend focusing on blockbuilding, EO, and forming a quality skeleton. However, I reccomend learning commutators, conjugates, and insertions ASAP. IMO, things like NISS and premoves are things to learn only when you 100% understand the other aspects.

Oh and yes, commutators are intuitive. In my experience though, they can be rather tricky to understand. I had to watch many tutorials and things to fully grasp the concept.
 

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I'm struggling a bit with EO, including when it is F2L-1. Ill for sure research further in EO, Commutators, and conjugates as I understand insertions. I'm pretty sure :) Thanks again for the help. You may see a PM here in a few weeks. I want to practice for my first comp with the events it has, but afterwards I for sure want to learn.


Edit- Do you think posting what I'm working on (may not be complete solves) here, or on FMC thread?
 
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R F' L' B -2X2X1
F U2-2X2X2
L' B' D L'-2X2X3

Looking good right.... Couldn't get EO for some reason ( I'm just learning EO)
could this be a good comm????

X2
F' U R U R' U' F' U F L' U' L

Leaves 4 corners 3 edges.


Edit- Now do R U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U' R'

adds 11 moves, but leaves only 2 corners 2 edges.
 

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I'm struggling a bit with EO, including when it is F2L-1. Ill for sure research further in EO, Commutators, and conjugates as I understand insertions. I'm pretty sure :) Thanks again for the help. You may see a PM here in a few weeks. I want to practice for my first comp with the events it has, but afterwards I for sure want to learn.


Edit- Do you think posting what I'm working on (may not be complete solves) here, or on FMC thread?
Definitely the FMC thread, plenty of FMC experts there that are far more knowledgeable than I.

For: U L' F' U2 B L2 U R' L' D' R2 L2 U2 F' B' U2 D2 F' U2 B' U2

Roux, 35

z2 y F' B U R D2 F'//FB
r U r U R' U2 R2 U2 r U' r'//SB
R U2 R D R' U2 R D' r2//CMLL
U' M' U2 M2 U M U2 M2 U'//LSE

Uber CFOP, 40

x' R B' D2 R D' R D'//XCross
R' L' U2 L U R L' U' L y2 F' U F R U2 R' U'//F2L-1
U' M2 U2 r U M U2 r' U'//Twisted VLS
M' U M2 U2 M2 U M2 U'//PLL

NEXT: R2 D2 R2 D2 F2 L2 F' R2 B U' B F L' R F' L2 B' R2 U2
 

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Definitely the FMC thread, plenty of FMC experts there that are far more knowledgeable than I.

For: U L' F' U2 B L2 U R' L' D' R2 L2 U2 F' B' U2 D2 F' U2 B' U2

Roux, 35

z2 y F' B U R D2 F'//FB
r U r U R' U2 R2 U2 r U' r'//SB
R U2 R D R' U2 R D' r2//CMLL
U' M' U2 M2 U M U2 M2 U'//LSE

Uber CFOP, 40

x' R B' D2 R D' R D'//XCross
R' L' U2 L U R L' U' L y2 F' U F R U2 R' U'//F2L-1
U' M2 U2 r U M U2 r' U'//Twisted VLS
M' U M2 U2 M2 U M2 U'//PLL

NEXT: R2 D2 R2 D2 F2 L2 F' R2 B U' B F L' R F' L2 B' R2 U2
https://alg.cubing.net/?setup=R2_D2_R2_D2_F2_L2_F-_R2_B_U-_B_F_L-_R_F-_L2_B-_R2_U2&alg=x_R2_D-_R2_L//Cross U_R-_U_R_U_L-_U-_L//First_Pair U-_R-_U_R_U2_L_U_L-//Second_Pair y_U_R_U_R-//Third_Pair U-_L-_U_L_y-_R_U2_R-//Forth_pair U2_Rw-_U-_R_U-_R-_U_R_U-_R-_U2_Rw//OLL U-_L-_U-_L_F_L-_U-_L_U_L_F-_L2_U_L_U//_Jb_Perm_&#45;_Mirrored_version_of_the_Ja_perm__

x R2 D' R2 L//Cross
U R' U R U L' U' L//First Pair
U' R' U R U2 L U L'//Second Pair
y U R U R'//Third Pair
U' L' U L y' R U2 R'//Forth pair
U2 Rw' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U2 Rw//OLL
U' L' U' L F L' U' L U L F' L2 U L U// Ja Perm - Mirrored version of the Jb perm (58 Moves)

Next:
R2 F' U' L' U F2 D' L B' L2 U2 B2 U L2 D2 F2 D' L2 F2 D
 
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https://alg.cubing.net/?setup=R2_D2_R2_D2_F2_L2_F-_R2_B_U-_B_F_L-_R_F-_L2_B-_R2_U2&alg=x_R2_D-_R2_L//Cross U_R-_U_R_U_L-_U-_L//First_Pair U-_R-_U_R_U2_L_U_L-//Second_Pair y_U_R_U_R-//Third_Pair U-_L-_U_L_y-_R_U2_R-//Forth_pair U2_Rw-_U-_R_U-_R-_U_R_U-_R-_U2_Rw//OLL U-_L-_U-_L_F_L-_U-_L_U_L_F-_L2_U_L_U//_Jb_Perm_&#45;_Mirrored_version_of_the_Ja_perm__

x R2 D' R2 L//Cross
U R' U R U L' U' L//First Pair
U' R' U R U2 L U L'//Second Pair
y U R U R'//Third Pair
U' L' U L y' R U2 R'//Forth pair
U2 Rw' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U2 Rw//OLL
U' L' U' L F L' U' L U L F' L2 U L U// Jb Perm - Mirrored version of the Ja perm (58 Moves)

Next:
R2 F' U' L' U F2 D' L B' L2 U2 B2 U L2 D2 F2 D' L2 F2 D
Actually, that is the Ja perm
 

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R2 F' U' L' U F2 D' L B' L2 U2 B2 U L2 D2 F2 D' L2 F2 D

x2 [D' B':u2 M' u2 M'] //UF>DR>RB (8)
[x' L2:[U' M' U, L]] //UF>FL>UL (9/17)
[U', R E' R'] //UF>UR>LB (8/25)
[x' y:[M' U M, D]] //UF>BD>RF (8/33)
[U2, M D M'] //UF>LD>UB (8/41)
[U, M D2 M'] //UF>DF>UR (8/49)

[x:[D2, L U L']] //UBL>UFL>DBR (8/57)
[D F2 D', B] //UBL>FRU>LBD (8/65)
[L2, U R2 U'] //UBL>DFR>DFL (8/73)
[x:[U R' U', L]] //UBL>UBR>FUL (8/81)

81 STM 3-style

Next: F' R2 L2 U L2 F B' L' B R' L2 U' D2 R2 D F2 U' R2 L2
 
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Next: F' R2 L2 U L2 F B' L' B R' L2 U' D2 R2 D F2 U' R2 L2
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X2 R' D' B' F' U' F' B2 D2 --EOline

R2 U2 R L U' L' U2 L' R U' R' L' U L U L' --ZZF2L

U (R U R' U) (R U' R' U) (R U' R' U) (R U2 R') --COLL

U (R U' R U) (R U R U') (R' U' R2) U -- Ua perm

53 moves.

Next: F D' B2 D B2 U2 L2 D' B2 U B2 U F' L F R' F U R2 D' F'
 

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https://alg.cubing.net/?setup=L-_U-...-_U-_F-//OLL U-_L2_U_L_U_L-_U-_L-_U-_L-_U_L-_

U L U2 F R' F2 U' B2//Cross
R' U R L U L' U L U' L'//First pair
U' R' U2 R y' R' U' R//Second Pair
U R U' R' U2 R U' R'//Third pair
y U' R' U' R Dw' R U R'// Forth pair
U Fw R U R' U' Fw' U' F R U R' U' F'//OLL
U' L2 U L U L' U' L' U' L' U L //PLL

Next: F D' L B L U R2 L F' D' R' F2 L D2 R2 U2 R' F2 L
 
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