Should a beginner start with the best cube available?

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  1. DaKrazedKyubizt

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    Good point. Didn't think about that.

    I just don't shop too often. And I'm kinda lazy :p

    But thanks!
     
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  2. Cheese11

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    It takes like 3 seconds to do that. And I'm pree sure I'm the lazyest person ever. When I walk into class, my Korean teacher says "Ohhh, here come lazy boy!".
     
  3. Bapao

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    Should beginners use "beginner" cubes?

    Greetings,

    I realize that this topic has been discussed numerous times in the past, but I would like to see a discussion on the matter held in a low noise environment. IMO, previous threads led to battles of personal belief as opposed to leading to a possible conclusion.

    My main concerns are health related. The store bought Rubiks brand 3x3x3 that I used for the first few months of my cubing endeavors almost put a halt to them altogether. I was suffering from serious pain and discomfort that made me contemplate giving up my newly found hobby.

    For my part, I would like to see the following points discussed:

    - Is it easier for an experienced cuber to get accustomed to "fast" cubes?

    - Does using a stiff/locky cube help beginners learn turning accuracy?

    - Does using a "fast" cube as a beginning cuber promote bad cubing habits?

    Please share your opinions.

    Regards,

    Holger.
     
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  4. Muesli

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    Define "Beginner cube".
     
  5. Rpotts

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    No, I would argue that a cuber should use a good cube as soon as possible, there's no reason to build bad habits of wrist turning and hard/forceful turning on a Rubik's brand before switching to a good cube. That doesn't mean that the best cube for a beginner is a Zhanchi, but it very well may be. Some beginner's may get better times with slightly slower cubes since they may be a little easier to control/not pop (such as the FII or A3f or Guhong perhaps.) That being said, I'd advocate getting an excellent cube sooner, rather than later. Might as well get used to them now, rather than spending months perfecting your turning on a cube that you will eventually "out-grow" or want to trade up from.
     
  6. Bapao

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    The store bought Rubiks brand comes to mind, but the term is hard to pin down. I've often read members post that any cube that isn't considered to be one the best cubes at the time (lets call them inferior due to popular belief) are deemed "beginner cubes".
     
  7. Muesli

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    Then the term is ill-defined and I don't think we should use it. I'd prefer we use "Worse cubes", and in which case I definitely disagree.
     
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  8. Bapao

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    I agree. What are your thoughts on the phrase/term "fast cube"?
     
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  9. Muesli

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    Subjective. Some people prefer smoother cubes, some people prefer crispy cubes. Who's to say which is faster?
     
  10. Kirjava

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    Let us use general consensus and stop being pedantic.

    Dayan Guhong > Rubik's Brand

    'fast cube' is not a term that requires a strict definition.
     
  11. Kirjava

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    Probably not. It's likely easier to switch when you're slower as you're not extremely accustomed to a specific cube after thousands of solves.

    Probably not. It will just taint their turning style negatively.

    No. Opposite is true. It's even in this site's FAQ ;)
     
  12. Muesli

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    I was going to put that in my original post anyway, but shmeh.
     
  13. Jackason13524

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    Dayan 5 Zanchi as a beginning cube.

    My cousin just started cubing (he hasn't even memorized the beginner's method) and he ordered the Dayan 5 Zanchi because his Rubik's brand cube was really slow. I've never owned a Zanchi, but some people say they are not good for beginners. Is this true? Should he order another cube just in case he has problems with the Zanshi.
     
  14. PeelingStickers

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    No, the zhanchi is a very good cube. I don't see the point in step up cubes becuase he'd have to adjust to the zhanchi anyway when he gets it.
     
  15. cubesonfire

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    i have a kinda mixed answer. i believe that beginners should start with a good cube, but not a really good one like a zhanchi or guhong. ghost hands or maru should be perfect for a beginner.
     
  16. CubezUBR

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    what about the people who buy stickerless zhanchis when they are sub 2 mins and then those people who use a rubiks till they are sub 40 then get a zhanchi (example). from what i have seen the people who wait turn out faster and better cubers. sorry i just had to post my opinion
     
  17. aceofspades98

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    5BLD got sub 15 with a Rubiks brand. I think though people should get a wind or aurora because beginners don't have a lot of expeirience lubricating the core of cubes so they would be easier to work with without creating bad habits a rubiks brand would but still being fast.
     
  18. pedrocube

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    First speed cube for a beginner?

    Hi, I'm new in cubing (just few weeks) and here in the forum.
    I cube just for fun and I'm using the basic layers method. However I would like to get best solve-times and learn more algs/methods/tricks.
    The cube I'm using is old and VERY hard to turn; so I have to buy a newer one.
    I'm searching for some suggestion because:
    - i hate pops, i prefer a "stable" one
    - i would like to buy a fast but controllable cube
    - i would like to buy something well-made (i often read about bad stickers for example)
    - a good allround (i still have to build my preferences in cubing)

    Thanks to everyone will contribute.
    Bye!!!!!
     
  19. Blurry

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    A good starter would probably be a Dayan Zhanchi - It was a brilliant one for me, It gets you used to moving faster and executing algorithms faster but still being able to maintain grip and being controllable. I would totally recommend you it!
     
  20. AoLong

    If you don't use finger tricks on every turn, it won't be uncontrollable for you

    There's no evidence that different skill levels need different cubes
     

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