One-Answer 3x3x3 Speedsolving Question Thread

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  1. xyzzy

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    Probably not, for most people. You could teach them LBL and demonstrate that it's possible to improve on LBL by doing the first two layers together, but going straight to F2L will alienate complete beginners. However, if your student manages to understand LBL quickly, they might be able to grasp intuitive F2L too.
     
  2. sqAree

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    Out of the 3 people I taught cubing, 3 of them understood F2L fairly easily (I never bothered with LBL). One of them learned in 3 days, the others in one.
    I think a good part of it working is the motivation that comes along with actually understanding the solve and also that people are generally not motivated to learn algs in the beginning (for LBL you need one alg, actually two as beginners don't understand mirroring).
     
  3. Aerma

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    Right here
    Is it worth it to learn Magic Wondeful?
    What if I already know COLL?
     
  4. Space Cat

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    Would it be easier for me to teach COLL and not OLL? It's something I've been considering for a while, thinking I could skip PLLs like the G and N perms.
     
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  5. xyzzy

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    Did you mean "teach" or "learn"? And do you already use full OLL?

    I'm a bit biased towards COLL because I actually learnt full COLL before OLL (and I still haven't learnt full OLL), but unless you're really good at F2L edge control, you use ZZ, or you use some kind of EOLS, full OLL will have a larger immediate benefit than full COLL, as you won't be able to use COLL in every solve.
     
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  6. Aerma

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    Right here
    Also, if you use whatever method to always get a cross case for OLL, what if you get an OLL skip? You'll still need to learn all 21 PLLs then.
     
  7. Or you could learn 2 PLLS then EPLL...
     
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  8. Joel2274

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    If I already know full OLL, should I learn WV or COLL next
     
  9. DGCubes

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    I'd go with COLL personally, especially if you like EPLLs. If you don't really care what PLL case you get, I guess WV would be better.

    I don't know any WV but I know ~75% of COLL, so I'm probably a little biased.
     
  10. Mastermind2368

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    I also happen to know about 30 COLL algs and I say learn the 3CO case and the 2CO case then COLL.
     
  11. TDM

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    COLL is far more useful, both in different methods and for different puzzles, and also comes up far more frequently than WV. You'll very rarely use WV.
     
  12. Gamadan

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    Hi! If I may ask, how did you practice look ahead in 3x3 from cross to F2l, F2l to F2l, F2l to OLL and OLL to PLL?
     
  13. From Cross to F2L, solve crosses blindfolded, once you are confident enough to do so just do them blindfolded while checking for F2L pieces.
    F2L to F2L pair, it's just pure practice.
    F2L to OLL, just knowing some basic edge control and practice visualizing.
    OLL to PLL it's just knowing what you OLL does in terms of preserving blocks or corner permutation.
     
  14. Gamadan

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    Thank you for replying :D In F2l to F2L, may I ask your ideas on how I should practice slow solving with it? :D
     

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