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@One Wheel I also tend to do 7x7 centers by complete 5x1 "lines", starting from center to one side, then the other side (especially for L2C).

That trick of saving a LL edge for the end and not fixing "edge parity" until after F2L is a very nice one. But I assume you need a second parity alg if you want to swap inners? The regular OLL parity alg I use swaps outers.

@Scruggsy13 I usually pair 1st the cross edges and put them down but then I just pair whatever I see. Anyway I'm planning on changing because, strangely as it might sound, it leads to bad crosses as it usually requires lots of double moves to take out an edge and put them back where it belongs. And any effort to try and do the cross at that stage (F4E) is spoiled later on while doing L4E. Any recommendations anyone?

@Octopanda Yeah, practice, practice, practice. But at least your times are quite balanced between the different cubes. My 7x7 for example is comparatively much slower than 5x5.
 

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@One Wheel That trick of saving a LL edge for the end and not fixing "edge parity" until after F2L is a very nice one. But I assume you need a second parity alg if you want to swap inners? The regular OLL parity alg I use swaps outers.

I use the Rw U2 x Rw U2 Rw U2 . . . OLL parity alg (mirrored to L for easier U2s). If you use an inner slice instead of outer block, and add, iirc, U2 Rw' Lw on the end it switches inners.
 

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I use the Rw U2 x Rw U2 Rw U2 . . . OLL parity alg (mirrored to L for easier U2s). If you use an inner slice instead of outer block, and add, iirc, U2 Rw' Lw on the end it switches inners.
Sorry but I don't follow you. I use that same algorithm. For normal OLL parity on 6x6 I just turn 3 layers on each R or L. For edge parity, to switch outer wings I do two layers except for one R in the middle that is 4 layers. But I don't get how you modify it to swap inner wings.

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Sorry but I don't follow you. I use that same algorithm. For normal OLL parity on 6x6 I just turn 3 layers on each R or L. For edge parity, to switch outer wings I do two layers except for one R in the middle that is 4 layers. But I don't get how you modify it to swap inner wings.

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Instead of an R move use 3R 2R', and the same for L, and add U2 2R' 2L (U2) at the end.
 

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I just got a new 5x5 PB single, Ao5 and Ao12 in one Ao12, without even any warmup solves. And it's a significant difference, previously my PB's were 1:30.01, 1:38.XX and 1:45.XX, and now it's 1:24.73, 1:35.23 and 1:39.96, and I don't know how I managed to get this good average out of nowhere, because I haven't learned anything new afaik :confused: I've gotten faster in 5x5 lately, and pretty much averaged my PB Ao12, and constantly got new PB Ao12's, but they were like 0.25s faster than the previous.

Is it even possible to get this lucky, or did I just focus more than usually, and if so, why haven't I focused like this before
 

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I just got a new 5x5 PB single, Ao5 and Ao12 in one Ao12, without even any warmup solves. And it's a significant difference, previously my PB's were 1:30.01, 1:38.XX and 1:45.XX, and now it's 1:24.73, 1:35.23 and 1:39.96, and I don't know how I managed to get this good average out of nowhere, because I haven't learned anything new afaik :confused: I've gotten faster in 5x5 lately, and pretty much averaged my PB Ao12, and constantly got new PB Ao12's, but they were like 0.25s faster than the previous.

Is it even possible to get this lucky, or did I just focus more than usually, and if so, why haven't I focused like this before
I don't have a good explanation for it, but I've noticed the same thing with big cubes. I'm typically running around 3:20 on 5x5, and I have a sub-3 Mo3; I don't remember right off, but that might extend as far as a sub-2:50 Ao5. I typically run around 12:00 on 7x7, but to start the forum WC this week I got 10:16.75, 10:19.75, 11:28.71. My previous PB single was 11:28.39.
 

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I am getting into 7x7 and my question is do i need to learn all the algs in this video
Or is there an easy way to avoid getting these because i get them almost every solve and i just go to this video.

Thanks for help in advance
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perform your 4x4 parity alg, but for L and R slice moves, only move the layers that have edges that need to be flipped. so in the first image in the thumbnail, that would be the outer three on both sides, all at once. For the second, move the outer two all at once, etc
 
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Watch today's episode of Tuesday tips, I don't even own a 7x7 but it seems to be a good tip
 
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@PyraminxKing
if you use redux you don't need to learn any weird ones, you just need to know how to vary the normal one.

In redux, there are four different final edge parities, including solved. The final edge has 5 pieces, and let's say O means oriented correctly and X means flipped.

OOOOO (solved)
XOOOX (2R2 B2 U2 2L U2 2R' U2 2R U2 F2 2R F2 2L' B2 2R2)
OXOXO (3R2 B2 U2 3L U2 3R' U2 3R U2 F2 3R F2 3L' B2 3R2)
XXOXX (2-3Rw2 B2 U2 2-3Lw U2 2-3Rw' U2 2-3Rw U2 F2 2-3Rw F2 2-3Lw' B2 2-3Rw2)
those algs are of course very similar
 

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One thing I wonder about is the ratios between big cube averages.

My averages are:
3x3: 15-16
4x4: 1:00
5x5: 1:5x
6x6: 3:40 ish maybe I big faster (I don't do much 6x6)
7x7: low 5:00

I feel like my 7x7 times are quite fast compared to my 6x6 times. Is there much consensus on this topic. I have seen it brought up and stats showing the ratios from 3-4, 4-5 ect. I noticed that 4 and 5 are close and 6 and 7 are close too, compared to the gap between 5 and 6. Why is it that 6x6 is as much slower than 5x5?

The new centres?
Last 4 egdes having 4 edges instead of 3?
 

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One thing I wonder about is the ratios between big cube averages.

My averages are:
3x3: 15-16
4x4: 1:00
5x5: 1:5x
6x6: 3:40 ish maybe I big faster (I don't do much 6x6)
7x7: low 5:00

I feel like my 7x7 times are quite fast compared to my 6x6 times. Is there much consensus on this topic. I have seen it brought up and stats showing the ratios from 3-4, 4-5 ect. I noticed that 4 and 5 are close and 6 and 7 are close too, compared to the gap between 5 and 6. Why is it that 6x6 is as much slower than 5x5?

The new centres?
Last 4 egdes having 4 edges instead of 3?
The gap between 5 and 6 is definitley because of the introduction of oblique centers
 

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One thing I wonder about is the ratios between big cube averages.

My averages are:
3x3: 15-16
4x4: 1:00
5x5: 1:5x
6x6: 3:40 ish maybe I big faster (I don't do much 6x6)
7x7: low 5:00

I feel like my 7x7 times are quite fast compared to my 6x6 times. Is there much consensus on this topic. I have seen it brought up and stats showing the ratios from 3-4, 4-5 ect. I noticed that 4 and 5 are close and 6 and 7 are close too, compared to the gap between 5 and 6. Why is it that 6x6 is as much slower than 5x5?

The new centres?
Last 4 egdes having 4 edges instead of 3?
You should definitely check this thread. Very interesting information about compared times between different puzzles. Your compared averages are more or less in line with standard ones but, yeah, probably your 7x7 is a tad faster than, say, 4x4.
 

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You should definitely check this thread. Very interesting information about compared times between different puzzles. Your compared averages are more or less in line with standard ones but, yeah, probably your 7x7 is a tad faster than, say, 4x4.

Hardware would of affected that at the start of last year my times where more like
3x3: 15-16 (a touch slower)
4x4: 1:05-1:10
5x5: 2:00ish
6x6: 4:30
7x7: 6:40

I was using shengshou for 6 and 7, also I had recent improve in 4x4 after getting the WuQue. It seems that 6x6 and 7x7 have speed up the most due to hardware. I remember when Li Chen was getting sub 3 for the first time on 7x7 now it getting close to sub 2 close to the 6x6 times of about 3 years ago.
 

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I average around 2 for 4x4 but i average 8 with 5x5 for redux. I will add splits later, but I need help on how to get faster. Please no practice or anything. I am slow at edge pairing, and moderate at centers.

edit: 10:24

centers: 3:07

Edges: 5:43

3x3 stage: 1:33

messed up an edge in 3x3 stage, lol.
 
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