Methods advice needed - Speedsolving the Rubik's Cube ( Speedcubing ) and Other Puzzles Forum

froglover284 · 01-17-2009 08:06 AM

Ok I do the fredrick method, but I can only get a time of 1min 49sec as my fastest, and normaly get 2-3 min :/ With the beginners method 1min 32sec was my fastest, and I got around 2min average, but I just learned fredrick method 4 days ago.

I am haveing trouble with oll, and pll though so I have been learning 2 look oll, and 2 look pll which is hard also

I am trying to find out what other methods their are, and what are some good guides for them, I am intrested in the roux method, I here that is a good one, and petrus method confuses me, I dont understand the consept.

and what is your advice on getting a time of under 1min, I practice 8-12 hours or so a day.

nitrocan · 01-17-2009 08:12 AM

First of all, its Fridrich.

WTF!?!? YOU SPEND 8-12 HOURS A DAY!?

Just use Heise then.

froglover284 · 01-17-2009 08:14 AM

Yes I spend alot of time working on rubik's cube, and I dont think I know what the heise method is?

Bomber · 01-17-2009 08:15 AM

Did you not read what I posted in your almost identical thread yesterday?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me

Learn Two Look Orientation and Two Look Permutation making up the Four Look Last Layer. There's only thirteen algorithms and they're very easy to learn. BadMePhisto can also help you with memorising, just check out his site. He has advice for each case on how to remember it and a handy diagram too. Not only that but he has a PLL Trainer! That BadMePhisto has everything!

I posted this in a thread just yesterday. You will find absolutely everything you need on BadMePhisto's website.

BadMePhisto's website - Click Me

Originally Posted by Me again.

If you are another one of those 'I want to get fast now!' people then you might as well follow the crowd and use the Fridrich method, so called because it was adapted and optimised by Jessica Fridrich. This is very similar to your method at the moment; build a cross but then finish the 'F2L' or First Two Layers win one step. You will then Orientate the Last Layer (OLL) and finally Permute the last layer to finish the cube (PLL).

Originally Posted by Me... obviously

The method you are curently using actually has a lot of potential, you can get below 20 seconds! I'm sure another member will set you up with a link.

I also posted that two days ago. Honestly, if you want to get faster... practice. Also, we need information about you, for example: current personal best, current average and your method in more exact specifications. I don't even know if this information will apply to you.

Notice how I have spelled 'fredrick', with a capital letter too.

There is a huge amount of information that will help you on this forum, don't pass it up by ignoring the search function!

It does not answer all of you current questions but it certainly leads you to them. Better grammar and spelling might also help in your quest to the answers, but if you are really that illiterate then we don't mind that much.

Also, here is an important sticky you might want to read.
How to get any method or algorithm, learn how to get fast on any cube

froglover284 · 01-17-2009 08:20 AM

I have already found that website, and use 2 look oll, and pll already, but thank you.

Bomber · 01-17-2009 08:31 AM

Sorry, check out that thread but you probably already have, haven't you?

Originally Posted by Me

Right here on this Forum there is a small guide with advice at when to do what, I will post it further down.
I am sure that you realise that there is no set time to do anything, you could get your times down below 20 seconds using a relatively basic Beginner's Method (as can be seen on the thread I'll post), but really that's not very fun when there is so much information around.
How to Get Faster using the Fridrich Method - http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/sh...fridrich+guide

I don't think you need to learn anything more than you do, you are using Four Look Last Layer which is adequate for now. We could use more detail if you want more help. Are you using Intuitive First Two Layers for instance?
You mentioned difficulty with recognition, you need to get that time down, but I suppose you need to recognise them first... Practice them, lots. Try and get your last layer to around 13-15 seconds before doing anything else - try BadMePhisto's 'LL Trainer', it helped me tremendously.

I also posted that, I found it through search which quite handy if you actually use it.

Originally Posted by Also Me

You won't need a lot of the information that I'm going to give you for a long time but you asked for it so I will give you it. As I have said there are plenty of methods for you to use although there are three that are very popular. Two of them are called 'Block Building' methods, they are so called because the first step is to build a 'block of colour' on one side of the cube. These methods are called the Petrus Method and the Roux method, created by Lars Petrus and Gilles Roux respectively. The method you are curently using actually has a lot of potential, you can get below 20 seconds! I'm sure another member will set you up with a link.

If you are another one of those 'I want to get fast now!' people then you might as well follow the crowd and use the Fridrich method, so called because it was adapted and optimised by Jessica Fridrich. This is very similar to your method at the moment; build a cross but then finish the 'F2L' or First Two Layers win one step. You will then Orientate the Last Layer (OLL) and finally Permute the last layer to finish the cube (PLL).

And that is your very basic 'I want to get faster' answer. If you had bothered to look in the Beginner's Section, you would have found this thread repeated plenty of times and if you had put a little more thought into the whole thing you may have realised there is a 'search function'; if you used it you might have found something similar.

I posted that too, I hope you realise that all of your questions have been answered before so searching will almost guarantee an answer.

MistArts · 01-17-2009 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by froglover284

Ok I do the fredrick method, but I can only get a time of 1min 49sec as my fastest, and normaly get 2-3 min :/ With the beginners method 1min 32sec was my fastest, and I got around 2min average, but I just learned fredrick method 4 days ago.

I am haveing trouble with oll, and pll though so I have been learning 2 look oll, and 2 look pll which is hard also

I am trying to find out what other methods their are, and what are some good guides for them, I am intrested in the roux method, I here that is a good one, and petrus method confuses me, I dont understand the consept.

and what is your advice on getting a time of under 1min, I practice 8-12 hours or so a day.

You won't understand Roux or Heise if you don't understand Petrus. I suggest learning more about the cube if you spend that much time on it. Don't just blindly apply algorithms, learn from the algorithms.

froglover284 · 01-17-2009 08:50 AM

Thank you so much ^^ I just need to learn the oll, and pll somehow and hopefuly I will see progress XD oll, and pll look hard to learn though, I am haveing trouble learning just 2 look oll, and 2 look pll

blah · 01-17-2009 10:16 AM

I always had the impression Petrus was the easiest of all methods in terms of concept-grasping, it was for me, that's why it was my first method. It's just not the easiest to master.

blgentry · 01-17-2009 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by froglover284

oll, and pll look hard to learn though, I am haveing trouble learning just 2 look oll, and 2 look pll

I'm not sure if you've read it, or if you have figured it out on your own, but you can learn 4 Look Last Layer (that's a 2 Look OLL plus a 2 Look PLL) in stages. This will allow you to solve the cube every time, and let you gradually add new algorithms until you learn all of the algs necessary for a 4 LLL (a total of 17 algorithms). Trying to learn all of them at once is a lot to take on. I liked doing it in stages.

Take a look at this guide here:

http://cubefreak.net/speed/fourlook.html

Here are the 7 you need from that guide to be able to start solving: b (44), c (45), 26, 27, n3 A, n1 U, n2 U . I also like n4 A, and I recommend that you learn it, but others disagree, saying it's not necessary at this stage.

Assuming that makes sense, you should be able to solve the cube once you have those algorithms memorized (or equivalent algorithms that do the same thing; like ones you already have memorized). After that, you can add in new algorithms from that guide, one at a time, which will gradually speed up your solves, until you reach a 4 LLL.

I hope this all makes sense. If not, feel free to ask questions. I should really write up a formal guide to doing it this way: Starting with the minimum and working your way up to a 4 LLL.

Brian.