Tomasz Zolnowski 10.07 average WR Polish Open 2009

[amostay2004]

I hate to say it, but I really think tomasz accidentally stopped the timer with his forearms on the 2 "malfunctions" :/ .15 is not a timer error, its a user error. There needs to be a clear rule on what is a malfunction what is not.

After hearing about the two timer malfunctions, I did think of the possibility that he accidentally stopped the timer.
And after watching the video, it does seem pretty possible. You can see that during both timer malfunctions his forearm went pretty close to the timer. They might be accidental, but nevertheless still DNFs.

[krnballerzzz]

I dunno about the timer malfunctions. Later on I wanted to test the timer and probably started and stopped it 100 times. Not a single error. I think hickups above 0.03 are not the timer but the starters fault. Either way, even if it was human error then I am 100% sure it was because Tomasz' hands were 'kinda' shaky.

If what your saying is true, then the average is a DNF.

But then again,

11a) Incidents are:

* 11a1) Incorrect execution of event procedures, by officials or competitors.
* 11a2) Interference or distractions or facility distractions (such as power failure, emergency alarm).
* 11a3) Equipment malfunctioning.

11b) In case of an incident during an event the main judge of the event must decide about the outcome.
11d) If the WCA regulations are not fully clear or if the incident is not covered by the WCA regulations, then the main judge must make his decision based on fair sportsmanship, after consulting the WCA delegate.
11e) In case of an incident the main judge may award a competitor another attempt, that replaces the attempt for which the incident happened.
11f) The main judge and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

Based on the regulations, what's done is done... right? Too late to change anything?

[blade740]

We've always done the same as finland: .02 and .03 are timer malfunctions, but anything higher is a result of a "sliding start"

[mcciff2112]

Awesome record! Congrats!

[StefanPochmann]

11f) The main judge and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

Based on the regulations, what's done is done... right?

This rule ought to be reworded. So many people still don't understand that the the WCA board is not the main judge or the WCA delegate and thus can use videos/photos. Seems like every incidence someone pulls out this rule, misunderstanding/misrepresenting it.

[iploman]

I hate to say it, but I really think tomasz accidentally stopped the timer with his forearms on the 2 "malfunctions" :/ .15 is not a timer error, its a user error. There needs to be a clear rule on what is a malfunction what is not.

Its possible that Tomasz stoped the timer with forearms , however some of the timers have strange ability to stop without touching them somehow they stop when u just move yours hands close enough.

[StefanPochmann]

some of the timers have strange ability to stop without touching them

Hmm... makes me wonder again: Do we know for certain how the stacktimer actually works? Pressure? Temperature? Electric flow? Electromagnetic field? Something else? Has speedstacks published what they're using? I just checked out their site and couldn't find any information regarding this...

[prażeodym]

they stop when u just move yours hands close enough.

yes it's soo true. In Wrocław Open In 1 timer We Can Start it without touching it just putting hands near timer

[krnballerzzz]

Originally Posted by krnballerzzz

11f) The main judge and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis. Based on the regulations, what's done is done... right?

This rule ought to be reworded. So many people still don't understand that the the WCA board is not the main judge or the WCA delegate and thus can use videos/photos. Seems like every incidence someone pulls out this rule, misunderstanding/misrepresenting it.

But do you think there is enough evidence to make a case?

[AvGalen]

@AVG : Get a good camera phone

this video was recorded on a camera phone. I think the quality isn't bad at all, but zoom would be nice