[Help Thread] ZBLL discussion

qqwref said:

Antoine, if you're talking about something like VH, you definitely can, but it won't be as fast as proper ZBLS.

Click to expand...

whenever i use cfop, i just manipulate the edges while im solving the f2l so that when i get to the last pair, it is really easy. i dont practise cfop often though, but if i were to try harder, i think that doing it like that would be faster than dealing with all of the U edges at the the last slot.

Kirjava said:

that's like 12 algs

Click to expand...

I think you're thinking of double sune (H), which is still 40 algs, triple sune (L) is 72 algs

antoineccantin said:

Can't you do ZBLS pretty intuitively?

Click to expand...

Yeah, I just meant that I haven't bothered to learn any algs for the non-basic cases

A Leman said:

Also for your list. I found this ZZLL T alg which I like but it wasn't in any of the databases. R2'B'R'U'RURB RUR2U2R'U2R' I remember that being leagues better for me.

Click to expand...

Try this: x (R2' D2 R U R' D2 R U' R) (R D' R' U R D R' U') x'

It's just an A perm, followed by an 8 move L OCLL alg. I think it's simple and hopefully faster...

EDIT: (r U r' R U R' U' R U R' U' r U' r')(F R U R' U' F') <-- found by hand, I think it's much faster.

Thanks Robert for the alg, it's really fast for 2H.
For OH l use (R U R’ U R U’ R’ U R) (L’ U L U2) R’ U’ L’ U2 L flows really smoothly.

Robert-Y said:

Yeah, I just meant that I haven't bothered to learn any algs for the non-basic cases



Try this: x (R2' D2 R U R' D2 R U' R) (R D' R' U R D R' U') x'

It's just an A perm, followed by an 8 move L OCLL alg. I think it's simple and hopefully faster...

EDIT: (r U r' R U R' U' R U R' U' r U' r')(F R U R' U' F') <-- found by hand, I think it's much faster.

Click to expand...

I don't like the first one, but the second one is really good. I would not have thought of using it since it is so much longer(5 moves). Nice find. thank you.

I wish Chris was still here ;__;

theZcuber said:

I think you're thinking of double sune (H), which is still 40 algs, triple sune (L) is 72 algs

Click to expand...

I think you're thinking of OCLL, when 'triple Sune' should be assumed to be COLL.

How many cubers really use ZBLL?

Another novice question by me, which is probably getting moved somewhere again.

Quoting the wiki: "ZBLL indeed sounds like a very useful step to learn, but the main reason that it is not in wide use is that it involves a massive 177 algorithms (counting inverses and mirrors are the same), or a total of 504 cases (including PLL)."

But yeah, browsed the wiki for few hours and saw ZBLL there with ~500 algs

So, how many cubers do know all of the algs and use them efficiently?

I don't think anyone at all knows all the algs.

a few people know it, no one can use it better than they already are at OLL/PLL yet

Kirjava said:

a few people know it, no one can use it better than they already are at OLL/PLL yet

Click to expand...

Who knows the full set?

off the top of my head I know that chris tran knew it, spef knew all except sunes

can't remember who else

Morley Davidson, but he didn't learn for speed at all so he probably can't recognise and recall cases fast or at least doesn't need to.

Who here knows full ZBLL?

Does anyone here know full ZBLL? If not how much do you know?

~crickets~

Ultimate Cuber said:

Does anyone here know full ZBLL? If not how much do you know?

Click to expand...

I know about 100 cases or so. Most of it is 2GLL, which I have finished. Currently I am working on Diag cases.

Bindedsa said:

I know about 100 cases or so

Click to expand...

Do you learn from the wiki?
Is there a list of the 'best' ones to learn? I don't intend to learn much of ZBLL, maybe 15-20 cases or so...

DuffyEdge said:

Do you learn from the wiki?
Is there a list of the 'best' ones to learn? I don't intend to learn much of ZBLL, maybe 15-20 cases or so...

Click to expand...

2GLL: https://sites.google.com/site/antoineccantin/2gll

antoineccantin said:

2GLL: https://sites.google.com/site/antoineccantin/2gll

Click to expand...

Thanks Antoine

DuffyEdge said:

Thanks Antoine

Click to expand...

I used Antoine's 2GLL list except for the Sunes which I learned from the wiki and generated a few myself with Cube Explorer. After 2GLL, I started learning The Diag cases which I'm almost done with and the rest are my COLLs, alts, and different manipulations of those such as mirrors inverses and others, that I've learned to recognize when to use.

Edit: Also, If you don't want to learn many I would recommend sticking with a small subset, because you don't want to waste time trying to recognize a case you don't know.