Roman rooms is about the same as the journeys system
you have a well know room, where you have some locations
say it's your bedroom
then you have a wardrobe, a table, your bed, the window, and so on
then you use those locations to put your images, so you can easily remember everything just by walking mentally through your room
Yeah, the way we use it, Roman Rooms essentially is a Journey system.
Originally, Roman Rooms were used for memorizing non-ordered lists, so you could just go to whatever location in your room in whatever order and find something. But of course, when doing blindfold cubing, we need the list to be ordered, so we have little choice but to construct a journey through the room.
I usually put something in each corner, something against each wall, and something in the middle of the room. Usually there's some object at each location for the memorized things to interact with. So in my living room, I have a synthesizer stack, a toy horse, a bookcase, a piano, a large empty space in the middle, an organ, a torchiere light, a sofa, and a stack of music. (Can you tell I'm a musician?) Then I can have the first person in the memorization riding the horse or playing the piano, or something similar, to make it easier to memorize. I always go in the same order in each room I use, starting in one corner and zigzagging through the room. That way, I don't have to think about what the proper journey should be when I make a new room.
I currently only have 3 rooms - I want to make some more.
So, for a 3x3x3, how many rooms do I need? I use Macky's guide. For example, if I have EP: (1 6) (2 4 8 5 7) (3 9 11 10 12), how do I apply the Roman rooms method? What do I have to put in each location of the room? Can you please explain the process of memorizing in detail? Excuse me if my question sounds stupid because I've just started blindfold cubing a week ago and this is the first time I've ever heard about Roman-rooms or Journey system.
I don't use Roman Rooms for 3x3x3 unless I'm doing multi BLD. And even then only when doing more than 2 cubes. And I've only tried that once - I tried 3 cubes a week ago and got the first 2 right and the third was off by a corner 5-cycle because I forgot to do it (as soon as I removed the blindfold I realized in horror that I had forgotten to do the CP, and I still had perfect memory of what still needed to be done - I put the blindfold back on and finished it just to prove it, but of course it was a DNF). For a regular 3x3x3, I still find it much faster to just do visual memorization. I keep occasionally trying to use a memory method, but I'm just to slow at it for a regular 3x3x3.
But if you want to do Roman Rooms, basically you just need to encode the information somehow and place that information at the locations in your room.
To show how I do it, for the EP example you gave, I letter 1-12 according to Macky's guide (I use Macky's method most of the time) as letters A-L. So I would start at my first location, the synthesizers, and use my person for 1 (A), "Atom Ant", and then the person for 6 (F), "Fred Flintstone". So I might have Atom Ant standing on Fred's nose while Fred plays a lick on the synthesizer. End of cycle, so I'd move on to the second location. 2 (B) = "Barney Rubble", 4 (D) and 8 (H) - I'd come up with a word to go with that 2-letter pair (that's a tough one) like maybe "dahlia", 5 (E) and 7 (G) = "egg", so I'd imagine Barney Rubble on the toy horse (my second location), holding a flower and eating an egg. Then the third location (bookcase) - 3 (C) = "Casper the friendly ghost", 9 (I) and 11 (K) = "ick", and 10 (J) and 12 (L) = "jail". I'd probably imagine Casper the ghost saying "ick" because he's been put in jail, and I'd imagine him in one of the bookcase shelves with bars in front of him, holding onto them with his tongue hanging out (saying "ick" because he's stuck there).
For just a regular 3x3x3, the cycles are all fairly short (no more than 12 for EP, less for corners), so I would pretty much never use more than one location for a single cycle. But you could, if you found it easier. So if you had an 11-cycle, you could put the first 5 at one location and the next 6 at the second location. If you're going to split a cycle like this (you pretty much need to for bigger cubes), it's helpful to use the same starting letter for each piece. So if I had an 11-cycle starting at 1 and I were going to split it, I'd have Atom Ant interact with 2 "words" in the first location, and then with 3 more "words" in the second location.
Notice how nice it is to use 2-letter pairs for a 3-cycle method like Macky's. Each "word" contains the next 2 pieces that go with your first one to make up the next 3-cycle. So you just progress through the memorization one word at a time, performing one 3-cycle per word.
To memorize a whole 3x3x3, I put EP in however many locations are needed, one per cycle, then CP in however many locations are needed, one per cycle, then use one location for EO and one more for CO, finding some "visual" way to store my hexadecimal representation of the orientations in each of those locations.
That's how I do it, anyway. There are lots of other ways you could come up with to do it - you just need to find an encoding method that works for you.
Thanks a lot, Mike. I got the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlNiAqYN6ZQ
'Nuff said.
Now if that guy knew how to solve a cube.
Last edited by aznblur; 12-29-2007 at 11:45 PM.
Chris said he uses Letter pair 1 syllable words for 2x2 and 3x3. Why is that? What's the difference between "Letter pair images" and "Letter pair 1 syllable words" (http://speedcubing.com/chris/memorizing.html)?
He explains the difference in this thread:
http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?t=2053
The 1-syllable words seem to be beneficial because he can rely on memorizing the sound of the words for a short time. It's a really interesting idea.
Can anyone explain to me what people mean when they say they use color pairs, like in an example/explanation?
I have been able to Blind solve the Rubik's Cube since March last year.Here are my thoughts, experiences about memory methods I have tried.
When I first learnt to solve, I tried to memorize the way Stefan describes on his site.I couldn't really get fast memo times with that.So I switched over to alphabets(I found numbers too abstract to use).
So now I tried to make weird words on the fly using the alphabet sequences I encountered.Later I adapted the PAO method with single letter pairs(60 images) and my memo times reduced drastically.
Presently I use the PAO method with double-letter pairs.This comes to around 600 images.(I got my first sub-2 with this yesterday
One odd thing I do is that first I really rush through my memo not thinking much and giving lot of time for the images to register in my mind.Once I am done, I run through a very quick revision.This way I feel the images are retained better than doing a single slower round.
Next thing I would like to try are Chris' one syllable method and refine my memo system for big cube BLD and multi-BLD.
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