New CFOP Substep Competition

ROUND 8


Cross +1: 9.26 7.39 8.50 7.49 7.19 (5.85) (10.14) 8.79 7.82 7.87 9.60 9.87 = 8.378 Ao12 i need to work on my cross.

Pairs: 12.75 (13.62) 12.25 13.39 11.58 (9.57) 9.73 11.88 11.45 12.46 11.92 13.37 = 12.078 bout 3 seconds a pair not bad could improve though

Ls+LL: (7.33) 13.21 7.99 9.74 (16.51) 11.60 9.98 10.39 15.65 10.79 10.70 7.34= 10.739 i just need to finish pll then i could be sub 10 or lower


Solve: 25.156

Cross:5.3585= 20.00% (rounded percents)

Pairs: 12.078= 50.00% (3.0195) per pair

LL: 7.7195= 30.00%

Round 8

Cross + 1
Average of 12: 9.37
1. 8.49 2. 8.82 3. 10.89 4. 11.01 5. 7.93 6. 8.96 7. (12.21) 8. 8.84 9. 7.40 10. (6.62) 11. 9.77 12. 11.56

Pairs
Average of 12: 13.44
1. 12.04 2. 13.39 3. 11.34 4. 14.83 5. 14.20 6. 16.85 7. 13.12 8. (11.18) 9. 12.30 10. (18.55) 11. 11.97 12. 14.36

LS+LL
Average of 12: 10.60
1. 8.89 2. 11.26 3. (8.45) 4. 9.21 5. 12.04 6. 10.40 7. 10.93 8. 10.52 9. 10.02 10. 11.26 11. (12.69) 12. 11.42

Round 8 Results

Top 3 in each event:-

Cross+1
1. pipkiksass 5.89
2. mark49152 6.49
3. MarcelP 6.56

Pairs
1. pipkiksass 8.14
2. schmidt 10.17
3. mark49152 10.27

LS+LL
1. pipkiksass 7.09
2. MarcelP 8.32
3. schmidt 8.89

Splits
1. mark49152 8.05
2. Alishisap 9.47
3. Rocky0701 11.27

Congratulations to everyone!

Splits is a bit experimental. I wanted a score that measured how close people's splits are to idealised. The scores above are similar to standard deviation - the square root of the sum of the squares of the differences between splits and idealised percentages. Lower is better. In practice this weights the score towards longer substeps, but that's OK. Also it means someone could win the splits by deliberately being bad at a substep they are good at, as if anyone would bother

Analysis

Round 9 Scrambles
Closing time 7am UTC Sun 11 May.

Cross+1
1. B' R2 U2 F2 D2 F L2 B R2 F U2 R' B F' L F L2 U L R B2
2. F R2 B U2 F2 D2 U2 R2 D2 F L' D2 B U' F2 L' F' D' R' D2 U'
3. U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U2 L2 D L2 B2 F2 R' D2 U B' D2 B2 L B2 R D'
4. U2 B2 D F2 L2 D' R2 D F2 L2 D' B U L R F D F U2 L
5. D2 L D B' L' D F' B L U B U2 D2 B' L2 F L2 F2 U2 F' L2
6. F2 R2 D2 F2 U F2 R2 F2 R2 F2 U' L U L B' L' R B' U B R
7. L' D2 U2 F2 R B2 D2 R D2 U2 R2 U' B' L B L' R F2 D F2
8. D2 F U2 R2 F2 R2 B' R2 B D B2 L' R' F' L2 U' L D2 F2
9. U2 R2 U R2 D' B2 F2 L2 B2 D U L' F U L2 R' U L' D' U2 R2
10. U2 F2 D2 B' U2 R2 D2 F U2 B2 F' L U B2 D U L F' R' U2
11. D2 R2 U2 F D2 R2 F U2 F U2 F U' B2 D R2 F' L' D2 R D2 B
12. B2 D2 F2 U2 F2 R2 U B2 L2 D' L2 B' L B F2 L2 D L2 D2 L' U'

Pairs
1. R2 D2 F2 U F2 D' F2 D' F2 L2 F2 R U2 L2 B D L2 B' F' D' U'
2. U B2 L2 B2 L2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 B2 R' B' R2 U' B' R2 L' B' L
3. D B2 L2 D' L2 U F2 D' R2 F2 U' R' L2 F U' R L U2 L' U' F' U'
4. L2 U L2 F2 U L2 F2 L2 U2 B2 R' D' U2 R U F U B2 F L'
5. D2 B2 F2 D' L2 D' R2 D' L2 D' B2 R F D2 U2 R2 U B' R' L'
6. D' R2 U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U2 R2 F2 U2 B' D B D' L' U' L2 B' D2 U'
7. F2 D U2 B2 R2 D' L2 U2 R2 L2 U' R B D' R' L' B' D2 R B' U' F
8. F2 U' L2 U R2 F2 D L2 U R2 D' B D' U F2 R' B U2 R' U' R' U
9. B2 D R2 L2 U R2 U' R2 D2 B2 F2 L' F L D F' R2 L B2 F2 D
10. B2 D' L2 U B2 U' B2 R2 D' B2 D L' D' L B' D L2 B' R B U'
11. R2 L2 D B2 F2 D F2 D B2 D2 U' L F2 D' U' R' F' U2 F R2 B' U
12. U' R2 B2 L2 U B2 L2 D B2 D F2 R' D' B L2 F2 L D U L D2 U2

LS+LL
1. R U2 B2 R2 F2 L D2 R' D2 R F' U' F' U L' R' B2 R2
2. F' U2 F U2 F' U2 F2 L2 U2 F' U' F U' L2 F2 U2 F
3. F2 B D' L D B' R2 U2 F2 U2 R' F2 L' U2 R2 L
4. F2 U2 R2 D2 R' U2 L U2 R B2 D2 B' R' B U' R' U
5. U' F D' B2 D F D' B2 D2 B2 L2 D' F2 U B2 R2 U'
6. B' U' F' U' F U2 B R' F2 D2 R' B2 D2 R2 F2 U2 L' U2
7. U F2 L2 R2 U R2 U' L2 U R2 U2 L' U L R2 F U' F U2
8. F' U2 L2 B L2 F' L2 F L2 B2 D2 L' U' L D2 U' B F
9. U F2 R2 F L F' L F2 B2 U L2 U' L2 D L2 D' R2 B2
10. B2 U2 F2 D2 L2 F2 U2 F2 D2 L' D2 B' D B2 D' L B' F2 R2
11. U2 F2 L2 D2 B' R2 B' R2 D2 L' F' D2 R' D2 F' L'
12. L2 D R2 U B2 U B2 U' B2 R2 D' B L B' L F2 U' R U2 R'

Round 9

Cross + 1
(7.94) 5.22 6.30 6.94 (3.99) 4.94 7.34 4.19 7.31 5.86 6.13 4.55 = 5.88


Pairs
9.28 10.63 8.45 10.49 8.65 10.54 10.65 (7.11) (13.19) 10.00 10.45 7.76 = 9.69

LS + LL
6.75 8.33 6.91 8.30 7.48 (6.63) 9.64 9.92 8.61 (11.04) 10.07 7.83 = 8.38

Schmidt R#9

cross+1 : 6.39 (σ = 0.46)
6.77, 6.56, 6.72, 6.41, 6.21, 6.46, 7.06, (7.33), 6.21, (3.33), 6.11, 5.38

pairs : 10.97 (σ = 1.03)
9.68, 10.77, 12.59, 11.52, 10.21, 9.55, (12.83), 11.15, 12.47, 10.81, 10.93, (9.30)

ls+ll : 8.70 (σ = 1.19)
(5.91), 7.90, 10.43, 10.36, 10.21, 7.90, 8.40, 7.22, 7.83, 8.13, (10.83), 8.59

Wow this is going to be awesome. Combined times are quite a bit higher than regular solve times and doesn't appear to be what is used for "solve." How are "solve" and "cross" calculated in this thread? This was really fun, looking forward to watching improvement along the way.

Cross+1 = 7.55
6.43, 7.49, 7.94, 7.30, 7.37, 8.60, 8.09, 7.87, (12.71), (4.90), 7.97, 6.47
Pairs = 11.29
12.54, 9.67, 11.56, 10.91, 12.45, (6.33), 10.74, 12.37, 12.31, (14.07), 8.88, 11.48
LS+LL = 9.10
7.81, 8.67, (7.58), 8.66, 7.90, 7.68, 8.99, (12.81), 9.28, 11.97, 9.18, 10.85

Round 9

Cross + 1: 7.19
(4.41), 9.84, 7.53, (15.38), 8.18, 6.69, 5.20, 7.55, 8.48, 5.83, 4.76, 7.88

Pairs: 12.24
12.16, 8.31, 13.31, (18.33), 11.50, 10.21, 17.58, 11.78, 11.25, 14.80, 11.47, (8.01)

LS + LL: 10.30
13.35, 8.87, 9.99, 10.02, (7.13), 9.57, 11.01, 9.74, 11.48, 10.63, (13.90), 8.33

sk8erman41 said:

Wow this is going to be awesome. Combined times are quite a bit higher than regular solve times and doesn't appear to be what is used for "solve." How are "solve" and "cross" calculated in this thread? This was really fun, looking forward to watching improvement along the way.

Cross+1 = 7.55
6.43, 7.49, 7.94, 7.30, 7.37, 8.60, 8.09, 7.87, (12.71), (4.90), 7.97, 6.47

Spoiler: Cross+1

Generated By csTimer on 2014-5-5
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 4.90
worst: 12.71

mean of 3
current: 6.45 (σ = 1.53)
best: 6.45 (σ = 1.53)

avg of 5
current: 7.44 (σ = 0.84)
best: 7.39 (σ = 0.10)

avg of 12
current: 7.55 (σ = 0.70)
best: 7.55 (σ = 0.70)

Average: 7.55 (σ = 0.70)
Mean: 7.76

Time List:
1. 6.43 B' R2 U2 F2 D2 F L2 B R2 F U2 R' B F' L F L2 U L R B2
2. 7.49 2. F R2 B U2 F2 D2 U2 R2 D2 F L' D2 B U' F2 L' F' D' R' D2 U'
3. 7.94 3. U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U2 L2 D L2 B2 F2 R' D2 U B' D2 B2 L B2 R D'
4. 7.30 4. U2 B2 D F2 L2 D' R2 D F2 L2 D' B U L R F D F U2 L
5. 7.37 5. D2 L D B' L' D F' B L U B U2 D2 B' L2 F L2 F2 U2 F' L2
6. 8.60 6. F2 R2 D2 F2 U F2 R2 F2 R2 F2 U' L U L B' L' R B' U B R
7. 8.09 7. L' D2 U2 F2 R B2 D2 R D2 U2 R2 U' B' L B L' R F2 D F2
8. 7.87 8. D2 F U2 R2 F2 R2 B' R2 B D B2 L' R' F' L2 U' L D2 F2
9. 12.71 9. U2 R2 U R2 D' B2 F2 L2 B2 D U L' F U L2 R' U L' D' U2 R2
10. 4.90 10. U2 F2 D2 B' U2 R2 D2 F U2 B2 F' L U B2 D U L F' R' U2
11. 7.97 11. D2 R2 U2 F D2 R2 F U2 F U2 F U' B2 D R2 F' L' D2 R D2 B
12. 6.47 12. B2 D2 F2 U2 F2 R2 U B2 L2 D' L2 B' L B F2 L2 D L2 D2 L' U'

Pairs = 11.29
12.54, 9.67, 11.56, 10.91, 12.45, (6.33), 10.74, 12.37, 12.31, (14.07), 8.88, 11.48

Spoiler: Pairs

Generated By csTimer on 2014-5-5
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 6.33
worst: 14.07

mean of 3
current: 11.48 (σ = 2.59)
best: 9.81 (σ = 3.12)

avg of 5
current: 12.05 (σ = 0.50)
best: 10.71 (σ = 0.96)

avg of 12
current: 11.29 (σ = 1.25)
best: 11.29 (σ = 1.25)

Average: 11.29 (σ = 1.25)
Mean: 11.11

Time List:
1. 12.54 R2 D2 F2 U F2 D' F2 D' F2 L2 F2 R U2 L2 B D L2 B' F' D' U'
2. 9.67 U B2 L2 B2 L2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 B2 R' B' R2 U' B' R2 L' B' L
3. 11.56 D B2 L2 D' L2 U F2 D' R2 F2 U' R' L2 F U' R L U2 L' U' F' U'
4. 10.91 L2 U L2 F2 U L2 F2 L2 U2 B2 R' D' U2 R U F U B2 F L'
5. 12.45 D2 B2 F2 D' L2 D' R2 D' L2 D' B2 R F D2 U2 R2 U B' R' L'
6. 6.33 D' R2 U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U2 R2 F2 U2 B' D B D' L' U' L2 B' D2 U'
7. 10.74 F2 D U2 B2 R2 D' L2 U2 R2 L2 U' R B D' R' L' B' D2 R B' U' F
8. 12.37 F2 U' L2 U R2 F2 D L2 U R2 D' B D' U F2 R' B U2 R' U' R' U
9. 12.31 B2 D R2 L2 U R2 U' R2 D2 B2 F2 L' F L D F' R2 L B2 F2 D
10. 14.07 B2 D' L2 U B2 U' B2 R2 D' B2 D L' D' L B' D L2 B' R B U'
11. 8.88 R2 L2 D B2 F2 D F2 D B2 D2 U' L F2 D' U' R' F' U2 F R2 B' U
12. 11.48 U' R2 B2 L2 U B2 L2 D B2 D F2 R' D' B L2 F2 L D U L D2 U2

LS+LL = 9.10
7.81, 8.67, (7.58), 8.66, 7.90, 7.68, 8.99, (12.81), 9.28, 11.97, 9.18, 10.85

Spoiler: LS+LL

Generated By csTimer on 2014-5-5
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 7.58
worst: 12.81

mean of 3
current: 10.67 (σ = 1.40)
best: 8.02 (σ = 0.57)

avg of 5
current: 10.70 (σ = 1.35)
best: 8.08 (σ = 0.51)

avg of 12
current: 9.10 (σ = 1.37)
best: 9.10 (σ = 1.37)

Average: 9.10 (σ = 1.37)
Mean: 9.28

Time List:
1. 7.81 R U2 B2 R2 F2 L D2 R' D2 R F' U' F' U L' R' B2 R2
2. 8.67 F' U2 F U2 F' U2 F2 L2 U2 F' U' F U' L2 F2 U2 F
3. 7.58 F2 B D' L D B' R2 U2 F2 U2 R' F2 L' U2 R2 L
4. 8.66 F2 U2 R2 D2 R' U2 L U2 R B2 D2 B' R' B U' R' U
5. 7.90 U' F D' B2 D F D' B2 D2 B2 L2 D' F2 U B2 R2 U'
6. 7.68 B' U' F' U' F U2 B R' F2 D2 R' B2 D2 R2 F2 U2 L' U2
7. 8.99 U F2 L2 R2 U R2 U' L2 U R2 U2 L' U L R2 F U' F U2
8. 12.81 F' U2 L2 B L2 F' L2 F L2 B2 D2 L' U' L D2 U' B F
9. 9.28 U F2 R2 F L F' L F2 B2 U L2 U' L2 D L2 D' R2 B2
10. 11.97 B2 U2 F2 D2 L2 F2 U2 F2 D2 L' D2 B' D B2 D' L B' F2 R2
11. 9.18 U2 F2 L2 D2 B' R2 B' R2 D2 L' F' D2 R' D2 F' L'
12. 10.85 L2 D R2 U B2 U B2 U' B2 R2 D' B L B' L F2 U' R U2 R'

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These three events combined would be Cross, 6 F2L pairs, and then LL, so to calculate what a "solve" would be, divide the average that you got for pairs by 4, then subtract it from your Cross + 1 average which will give you your cross time, and then subtract the same number from your LS + LL average, which will give you your LL average. Add your cross time, with your pairs time, with your LL time, and that should give you your "solve" average. You can just wait until Mark posts the round 9 results though, he will probably post everyone's stats again.

I couldn't find my main, so I had quite a few recog fails and overshoots which led to lockups which led to accidental turning because I can't control my WeiLong.

Round: 9
Cross+1: 4.90, 8.02, 6.18, 4.95, 7.42, 5.48, 7.18, 5.27, 4.95, 3.65, 5.54, 4.23 = 5.61
Pairs: 9.01, 10.14, 7.17, 8.18, 8.07, 7.58, 8.92, 8.89, 9.34, 6.67, 7.32, 7.13 = 8.16
LSLL: 4.61, 7.13, 8.30, 6.41, 4.59, 6.44, 6.80, 9.67, 7.93, 8.06, 6.77, 7.26 = 6.97

Failed the first two averages, as well as a few singles on the third.

Rocky0701 said:

These three events combined would be Cross, 6 F2L pairs, and then LL, so to calculate what a "solve" would be, divide the average that you got for pairs by 4, then subtract it from your Cross + 1 average which will give you your cross time, and then subtract the same number from your LS + LL average, which will give you your LL average. Add your cross time, with your pairs time, with your LL time, and that should give you your "solve" average. You can just wait until Mark posts the round 9 results though, he will probably post everyone's stats again.

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Great thanks that makes total sense

Cross+1

5.12 - 3.545 4.576 5.495 6.197 6.046 4.221 4.497 4.581 6.171 (3.493) 5.863 (6.647)

Pairs

8.24 - 7.936 (5.559) 9.951 7.876 8.035 7.520 8.246 8.866 9.204 (10.262) 7.661 7.084

LS + LL

6.83 - 6.348 6.754 7.402 6.967 (5.576) 6.781 7.919 6.018 (8.503) 7.067 6.484 6.603

Rocky0701 said:

These three events combined would be Cross, 6 F2L pairs, and then LL, so to calculate what a "solve" would be, divide the average that you got for pairs by 4, then subtract it from your Cross + 1 average which will give you your cross time, and then subtract the same number from your LS + LL average, which will give you your LL average. Add your cross time, with your pairs time, with your LL time, and that should give you your "solve" average.

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That's a correct explanation, thanks Rocky.

Note that the calculated cross time includes your F2L transition so may be higher than if you just solved cross alone and took an average. Likewise the LL time includes OLL recognition so you don't have the advantage of recognising OLL during inspection as you would if you solved LL alone.

Personally I find that the predicted solve time is usually a little faster than my solve average, by 2-3% or so. I put that down to inefficiency in stringing it all together. Not sure how to explain a predicted solve coming out slower - perhaps if timing substeps is new it might take time to get used to it and get representative results?

mark49152 said:

That's a correct explanation, thanks Rocky.

Note that the calculated cross time includes your F2L transition so may be higher than if you just solved cross alone and took an average. Likewise the LL time includes OLL recognition so you don't have the advantage of recognising OLL during inspection as you would if you solved LL alone.

Personally I find that the predicted solve time is usually a little faster than my solve average, by 2-3% or so. I put that down to inefficiency in stringing it all together. Not sure how to explain a predicted solve coming out slower - perhaps if timing substeps is new it might take time to get used to it and get representative results?

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Thanks for the clarification. I recalculated based on what Rocky said and its actually right on for my average. Looking forward to this thread each week!

mark49152 said:

perhaps if timing substeps is new it might take time to get used to it and get representative results?

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I trained a bit on 'pairs' only the last few days. And when I do none white crosses I get worse times. Pairs on white only are sub 10. Pairs on none white are 11 -ish.. This really got me by surprise. Cross and LL on other colors are the same. No problem there. This made me reconsidder solving CN. Should I stick with CN or should I start doing white/yellow only from now on.. I think doing CN is giving me more joy than white/yellow so I might stick with it. Besides most of my single PB's are on none white crosses.

Round 9
Cross +1: 4.16, (7.04), 4.69, 5.92, 5.54, 6.64, 4.91+, 3.80, 5.28, 4.00, 5.54, (3.77) = 5.05
Pairs: (17.47), 8.45, 8.46, 12.09, 10.25, (6.46), 10.37, 8.88, 9.48, 8.42, 7.85, 12.88 = 9.71
LS+LL: 7.00, (9.59), 8.86, 8.62, (6.25), 6.74, 7.94, 8.98, 7.80, 8.03, 9.18, 7.21 = 8.04

The +2 in the first average was a sexy accidental x-cross, but unfortunately I did an R instead of R' on one of my cross pieces and +2ed at the end.
Finished the first solve of the pairs average before I remembered what I was doing. Fail.

How do you time yourself? I start with the cube on the table and a stackmat for each sub step.

Schmidt said:

How do you time yourself? I start with the cube on the table and a stackmat for each sub step.

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Good question. For splits, I would suggest Stackmat isn't appropriate. If there's an overhead to picking the cube up each time, you are adding that to every step.

Thank you for your analysis ! :tu

Round 9 :

Cross +1
7.24, 9.84, 9.07, 8.91, 8.18, 7.18, (5.79), 9.66, (12.55), 7.72, 8.30, 6.24 = 8.23

Pairs
14.08, 16.78, (11.58), 11.94, (27.32) , 13.97, 15.65, 14.39, 12.18, 17.45, 13.63, 14.24 = 14.43

LS + LL
14.48, 11.22, 12.45, 14.60, 9.57, 15.48, (7.47), 7.85, 13.50, 19.57, (20.86), 9.71 = 12.84

Overall better than the last round !

Round 9

Cross + 1: 5.23
4.16, 5.49, 4.25, (7.81) OUCH, 4.12, 4.24, 6.38, 6.12, 5.58, (3.63), 6.58, 5.35

Pairs: 8.38
8.40, 8.28, (7.50), 7.69, 9.06, 8.82, (9.56), 8.21, 9.16, 8.12, 8.52, 7.55

LS + LL: 7.50
7.50, 6.38, 6.96, 7.56, 7.08, 7.49, 8.31, (6.16), 8.61, (8.99), 8.14, 7.00

I've been finding it a little easier to 'see' my cross solution and look at the cube as a whole. Dropped .76 off my cross + 1 average from last week (wahoo), but +.24 on my pairs average and +.41 on my LS+LL average. Did this whole session 'cold', so I guess my cross+1 (where finger speed doesn't come into play as much) wasn't affected so badly, but my pairs and LL may have been hampered by cold hands.

Looking for positives - my pairs and LL fails should bring my splits closer to the ideal!