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New CFOP Substep Competition

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Welcome to the CFOP substep competition!
This started as a cross+1 comp in Marcel's intro thread and has been moved here on request. It has also been extended to add a couple more steps and make the results more interesting and I hope more motivating. Enjoy!

Format
Each week there will be three sets of scrambles. You can enter against any or all of these steps. You don't have to enter all three, but results will only include your splits if you do.

Cross+1:
  • Scramble with white on top, green on front.
  • Inspection allowed.
  • Solve the cross on any side, plus one F2L pair, then stop the timer.
  • Lucky or non-lucky xcrosses allowed :D

Pairs:
  • Scramble with your preferred cross colour on bottom.
  • Inspection allowed.
  • Solve all F2L pairs then stop the timer.
  • Don't do any edge control.

LS+LL:
  • Scramble with your preferred cross colour on bottom.
  • Inspection allowed.

Results
Report averages as regular ao12s (remove best and worst and take the mean of the remaining 10). Submit results in this thread in the following format or similar.

Round N

Cross+1 average xx.xx
[list of times]

Pairs average xx.xx
[list of times]

LS+LL average xx.xx
[list of times]


Other guidance
  • If you're colour neutral, for pairs and LS+LL do two solves with each colour on bottom.
  • Make sure to fully solve the cube before each scramble, otherwise different people will be starting from different states.
  • Results will include a splits analysis. If you enter more than one step, try to keep consistent conditions and form. If you do cross+1 in daylight when on fast form, then pairs late at night in poor lighting while tired, your splits may be skewed. Interleaving the sessions is a good way to ensure consistent form.
  • Each round will not close before the closing time specified. I'll accept all entries up until the time I post results, even if late. Because I'm a dad with a busy job, please don't expect me to be super-punctual in posting results and scrambles :D
 

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Round 7 Results (Cross+1 only)

1. MarcelP 6.02
2. Schmidt 6.20
3. mark49152 6.47
4. Rocky0701 7.42

Congrats MarcelP!

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Round 8 Scrambles
Closing time 7am UTC Sun 4 May.

Cross+1
1. U F2 U' R2 F2 L2 D2 L2 D L2 U2 B' D' L2 D2 U' F D2 F2 L F'
2. B2 R2 D F' R L' F2 R' B' R' B2 D2 F2 U R2 B2 D' R2 U2 F2 D
3. F2 L2 D2 B2 R' U2 R U2 B2 L' F2 U' L' D2 F R U' F2 L2 U' F
4. L' B D' F2 B2 L' B2 U2 D2 B D R2 F2 B2 U D2 R2 D2 B2 R2 L2
5. L2 U' L2 B2 L2 D2 L2 F2 D' U' B D U2 R B' L' D' F2 D R2 B
6. F2 R' D2 B2 L' D2 R' F2 D2 U2 R' U' B2 F U2 B' D B L F2 L'
7. B D2 F L2 R2 F D2 U2 F' R2 F' R' B' U' L2 D L2 U2 F' U2 F
8. R' D2 B2 D2 R' F2 D2 L' U2 R' D2 F L2 D' U' F' U' L' U F L
9. D' R2 D B R' U' F D' L' F R2 F2 L2 B D2 F D2 L2 B2 R2
10. U' R2 B2 F2 U L2 U' B2 U' B2 U B D' L R F2 D' L2 F2 D2 L'
11. L2 F2 L2 B2 D2 F2 U' B2 F2 R2 B2 R' D F L' D B L2 B R'
12. F2 D2 F2 D' B2 L2 D L2 U' B2 U' L U R2 B2 R' U2 F R' B U'

Pairs
1. B2 F2 R2 U2 R2 D' L2 B2 U2 F2 U F' D U' B R D U' B L' U
2. D B2 D R2 U F2 D F2 L2 B2 U2 B' L2 U' B2 D2 L U' L2 U' L
3. B2 F2 L2 U' F2 R2 D F2 D2 R2 U' L' B D' R' U2 B D U' B L
4. U2 B2 U L2 F2 R2 U F2 U2 B2 D F' D R L U R F2 L' F' D' U'
5. L2 D' L2 U2 L2 B2 U' R2 U B2 U' L F2 D B' F' D R2 F' D F2 U2
6. U' R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 F2 D' F2 L2 U' F' D B2 D2 R' D B2 U' L' F2
7. D' F2 D2 R2 F2 D2 R2 F2 D' B2 D L' B' D2 R2 U' L2 F' L2 D U'
8. D' R2 D2 B2 R2 U R2 D2 B2 U' F D L' D U B2 L F2 U' B2 L'
9. L2 D' L2 U' F2 D' L2 B2 L2 B U F2 R' B U' F2 R2 D
10. R2 U F2 D2 L2 F2 U B2 U L2 U B L' D R2 D2 R2 U' B' D' R2
11. R2 U F2 D' F2 U2 B2 F2 U' B2 D' F' R2 L D' R B' L U' R' B' U'
12. D' U2 L2 B2 L2 F2 U' F2 R2 D2 R2 F' D' R2 F2 L D' L D2 F2 D2

LS+LL
1. R U' R' F U F' U L2 B L2 B L2 B R2 B' R2 L2 B2
2. U2 B' U2 B2 U2 R2 B R2 U2 F' L' B' L F R U R' U'
3. U2 D2 F R' D R' D B D2 F' U2 R2 B' D2 F L2 F' U2
4. F' R2 D2 B2 L2 B L2 B D2 R2 F' L F' L' F2 U'
5. U' F2 R2 B D' L D B' U F2 U' R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 U R2 U'
6. U' F2 D2 B2 R2 D L2 D L2 D2 L' R' B R' B2 D2 F2 U2 R'
7. U2 L2 F2 U2 B2 L' U2 F2 R D2 B2 D' B' D B' L U' L R'
8. L' F2 D' B L B' D B2 L D2 L' F2 R' B2 L2 F2 L' F2
9. F' L' U' L U2 F U F2 L2 U R2 D' B2 L2 D R2 U2
10. D2 R2 U2 F D2 B L2 D2 F D2 F U' F R B L R' F2 U' L'
11. U2 B D2 U2 R2 B R2 D2 B' U2 F2 U R' F U F2 U' R F2
12. L2 U F2 U' L2 U' R2 B2 U B2 U' B R' B R' U' L F2 L'
 
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Round 8:

Cross +1:
Average: 7.57
(10.41), 7.59, 11.91, 9.91, 6.82, 7.78, 5.15, 5.96, (4.68), 8.84, 6.53, 6.67

Pairs:
Average: 13.83
13.91, (19.06), 11.51, 14.75, 16.20, 19.40, 9.79, 11.30, (9.15), 10.99, 17.72, 13.09

LS + LL:
Average: 10.52
11.13, 10.78, 8.85, 11.36, 10.28, 9.76, 11.48, 11.65, (5.97 PLL skip), (11.96), 8.48, 11.44

Goals for next week:
Cross + 1: Sub 7
Pairs: Sub 12 (3 seconds per pair)
LS + LL: Sub 10

That was actually really fun, i will definitely come back for more rounds.
 

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Round 8

Cross + 1:
Average:
5.89
(6.79), 5.58, 6.71, 6.37, 5.06, 6.02, (4.28), 5.34, 5.77, 5.70, 5.66, 6.71

Pairs:
Average: 8.14
9.33, 7.43, 7.84, 7.51, 7.62, 8.75, 8.44, 7.64, 8.49, (10.63), (7.23), 8.37 - mind went elsewhere on the 10!

LS+LL:
Average: 7.09
(I've indicated the 1 and 2 look OLLs with a 1+2 just for my curiosity and to see my progress in future weeks. There weren't many 1-look this week - need to learn more OLLs! :D)
5.40 (1), 8.67 (2), 5.38 (2, but PLL skip), 6.49 (2), 6.91 (1, but N perm), 7.03 (1) 7.19 (1), 9.41 (2), 6.26 (1), 7.95 (2), 6.97 (2), 8.04 (2)

Mark, this is an awesome contest, I hope it gets the attention it deserves! I've been meaning to join in the bar games for a few weeks, and this is a great opportunity to challenge myself.

I'd be interested to know what Speedpicker's analysis of his large sample of solves indicates the ideal split for these three 'stages' of the solve would be. Might be useful for judging how one is progressing?
 

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I'd be interested to know what Speedpicker's analysis of his large sample of solves indicates the ideal split for these three 'stages' of the solve would be. Might be useful for judging how one is progressing?
Yes that's exactly what I have planned :D. Here is a sneak preview of results so far. Red and green indicate more than 5 percent (not percentage points) difference from ideal. As you can see, we could all do with some improvement to our cross :)

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Round 8

Cross + 1 : 6.83 (5.00) 6.84 7.66 (8.77) 5.13 6.91 5.73 5.69 7.04 7.51 6.29 = 6.56 // That was bad..

Pairs: 11.76 11.04 11.39 11.17 (11.97) 9.76 11.61 9.18 8.11 11.33 11.39 (8.06) = 10.67

LL + LS: 6.19 (5.20) 8.45 7.76 9.26 8.98 8.48 (9.87) 7.55 9.36 8.85 8.35 = 8.32
 
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As you can see, we could all do with some improvement to our cross :)

This is actually really interesting reading. I knew my F2L was tolerable, and that my LL was pretty good for my speed, but I didn't realise the extent to which my LL was compensating for my crappy cross!

And then, looking at everyone else's results, it appears like we're all doing the same. Not to the same extent as me though - 35% of my solve is cross + 1. REALLY needs work!
 

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I didn't realise the extent to which my LL was compensating for my crappy cross!
Yeah from previous conversations about splits, I get the impression this is typical of cubers at around our level. Speedpicker's idealised splits (from which the numbers above originate) were collected from faster cubers, so perhaps this just means that cross and transition are the hardest areas to improve at, and improvement typically comes later when you are pushing your limits in other steps. Note that cross+1 should average about 13 moves so spending 35% of your solve on that is indeed pretty bad :D
 

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Wow, thanks Mark! That was pretty interesting. I will definitely work a lot on timing some crosses when i practice. All of our LL is very fast, are you guys using 2 look or 3? I am using 3 right now. Are you going to do this every week? If so, that would be awesome! I hope to have better cross + 1 next week.

Marcel: I thought i would calculate your splits for you since you came after Mark worked them out, plus i am nosy. :p
Solve: 20.21
Cross: 3.89 = 19% - could use some work like the rest of our crosses
F2L: 10.67 = 53% (2.67 per pair) - much faster than ours
LL: 5.65 = 28% - faster than Pip and Mark's by a litte, but even with mine
 

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Maybe it's our F2L that's slow :). I use a mixture - I know about 40 OLLs.


Yes, for as long as there is interest.
I do agree that our F2L is slow, along with our cross.

I am definitely interested in doing this comp. every week, as i am sure you, Marcel, Pip, and most likely SneaklyFox will be, probably with other people too. I am too addicted to the forum comps. haha, i do 6 weekly.
 

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Marcel: I thought i would calculate your splits for you since you came after Mark worked them out, plus i am nosy. :p
Solve: 20.21
Cross: 3.89 = 19% - could use some work like the rest of our crosses
F2L: 10.67 = 53% (2.67 per pair) - much faster than ours
LL: 5.65 = 28% - faster than Pip and Mark's by a litte, but even with mine

Thanks! Cross is still my weakest part. Transition to first pair is allright I guess. I have been working hard on Cross +1 meaning figuring out first pair in inspection or at least while doing cross. My F2L is very natural these days. No thinking whatsoever. Looking ahead is no problem. Now I must learn to do it fast like fast cubers :) LL, I know all 57 OLL's. Some even from different angles. Still some large alg OLL's for me are slower than the 2 look which I can do without looking ;) Knowing full OLL does not really affect my times.

Can some one please explain what this rule for doing pairs means:
•Don't do any edge control
 

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Can some one please explain what this rule for doing pairs means:
•Don't do any edge control
It means just solve the fourth pair like the other three pairs, and resist the temptation to spend extra time doing VHLS, WV or anything else to get a better OLL. You're not going to solve OLL anyway.
 

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Almost forgot to post my own results :)

Cross+1
Average 6.49
6.44, 5.84, 6.94, 6.38, (5.15), 7.07, 5.16, 6.71, (8.43), 6.11, 7.49, 6.72

Pairs
Average 10.27
10.69, (9.00), 11.77, 9.02, 9.82, 10.97, 10.05, 10.82, 10.47, 9.85, (12.08), 9.21

LS+LL
Average 9.51
8.59, 9.43, (13.52), 10.53, 8.30, 9.77, 9.27, 8.05, (7.34), 11.40, 11.00, 8.74
 

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Cross+1: I lost the individual times but the average was 5.24. Fastest was 2.40 and the slowest was 10.04 (i think)
Pairs: 9.62, 9.59+, 9.82, (15.78), (5.85), 8.66, 9.52, 6.29, 9.77, 10.04, 12.59, 7.96 = 9.39. After many timer start and solve continuation fails...
LS + LL: 6.93, (10.41), 8.79, 8.24, 9.11, 7.01, 8.32, 8.98, (6.19), 8.60, 8.17, 7.50 = 8.16.

Who knew, it was my LL dragging me down.
 

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Cross+1 : 7.43 (σ = 1.75)
8.00, 7.53, 9.41, 5.81, 6.59, 5.06, 7.63, (11.40), 10.93, 7.31, 6.03, (5.03)

pairs : 10.17 (σ = 1.41)
10.59, (12.86), 10.52, 12.30, 12.30, (8.15), 9.19, 8.22, 8.59, 10.84, 9.53, 9.61

ls+ll : 8.89 (σ = 1.16)
8.78, 8.59, 10.50, (6.11), 8.59, 7.78, 8.66, 9.05, 6.80, 10.77, 9.34, (11.25)

the only good thing about this is that it is bound to be better next round!
 
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Round 8

Cross+1
Avg of 12: 8.62
(5.54), 9.06, 10.40, 10.40, 6.17, 6.78, 10.79, (11.28), 8.61, 8.21, 8.39, 7.37

Pairs
Avg of 12: 13.16
13.80, 12.93, (10.87), 15.42, 12.07, 12.11, 16.12, 11.46, 15.44, 11.34, (19.11), 10.95

LS+LL
Avg of 12: 10.71
9.51, (15.71), 13.66, 13.84, 12.77, 8.62, 9.43, 9.77, (8.06), 9.16, 9.13, 11.17
 

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R8 (thank you !) :

Cross + 1
11.57, 11.07, (18.45), 7.64, 11.22, 8.22, 9.73, 7.34, 10.05, 7.87, (5.80), 13.48 = 9.82
18.45 : LOL.

Pairs
12.70, (11.35), 13.28, 13.53, 13.31, (17.09), 12.96, 15.27, 14.51, 13.95, 14.98, 13.85 = 13.83

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LS + LL
12.58, (17.19), (11.74), 14.62, 12.22, 14.43, 15.37, 16.30, 15.70, 13.32, 16.33, 15.24 = 14.61
 
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