How can I learn ZBLL?

[Aaronus23]

I'm trying to lear ZBLL but the recog is just terrible... and I'm not sure if the alg database is really a good place for learning ZBLL algs.

Sugestions?

[Smiles]

i haven't learned it, but have you learned COLL? there's also a variation of that that permutes edges instead of corners, i forgot the name.
basically COLL will help you get used to or learn some corner recognization techniques, since it ignores the edges. and vice versa for that other thing that permutes edges, although it'd be better to just learn COLL imo.

plus, COLL is 40 algs (counting mirrors and inverses) so that's a good start.

[ncube]

yeah, (not that I've done it) COLL is the frame on which you can build zbll. So, learn that up, then see about learning zbll.

[5BLD]

I recog CLL then EP
Eventually you will see patterns

As for learning
Learn the no EP ones first, they are annoyingly long

[HoooneyGuy]

You can learn them from this site,there are pictures to show the cases,so you can recognise them.
http://boca.bee.pl/cat.php?l=en&cat=th&m=zb&ch=zbll

[Endgame]

Why on earth would you want to learn ZBLL? The recognition may be horrible, but so is the idea of a 1LLL method. OLL and PLL have better recognition and most importantly, less algorithms. Less algorithms makes you can get faster at each of them and thus you will beat. The only practical use of ZBLL is FMC.

[Kirjava]

The only practical use of ZBLL is FMC.

Using ZBLL for FMC isn't very practical.

ZB's status as a method hasn't been tested properly yet, so we don't know if it's feasable. I do believe that there are better alternatives available though.

[Endgame]

I don't see the necessity of testing ZB. ZBLS is downright horrible and ZBLL has a too large set of algorithms for it to be effective during speedsolves. The best alternative is OLL+PLL or CLL+ELL.

Also, I don't understand why ZB (and VH) are methods. I mean, that's like saying I've invented my own method called "Peanutbutter" and it goes like this: cross, F2L-1 corner, CLS, corner permutation, finishing with ELL, but it basically is a CFOP variation.

[JianhanC]

I don't see the necessity of testing ZB. ZBLS is downright horrible and ZBLL has a too large set of algorithms for it to be effective during speedsolves. The best alternative is OLL+PLL or CLL+ELL.

Also, I don't understand why ZB (and VH) are methods. I mean, that's like saying I've invented my own method called "Peanutbutter" and it goes like this: cross, F2L-1 corner, CLS, corner permutation, finishing with ELL, but it basically is a CFOP variation.

Not if you use them often enough to recognise them quickly. ZB was invented with a 1 look LL goal in mind, but the cases are too many, therefore the EO is solved at the last F2L pair. I guess it's inaccurate to call ZB a method, but it's kinda stuck within the community.

[Kirjava]

I don't see the necessity of testing ZB.

Why not? It could end up being the "best" method.

ZBLS is downright horrible

Do you have any justification for this at all?

ZBLL has a too large set of algorithms for it to be effective during speedsolves.

You're talking to the guy who can use OLLCP without problems.

The best alternative is OLL+PLL or CLL+ELL.

I would say that the better alternative hasn't been documented yet.


While I don't think ZBLL is a good method, I do think it can perform just as well as CFOP can - possibly better. However, both of these methods are somewhat of a dead end at this point.

Also, I don't understand why ZB (and VH) are methods. I mean, that's like saying I've invented my own method called "Peanutbutter" and it goes like this: cross, F2L-1 corner, CLS, corner permutation, finishing with ELL, but it is basically a CFOP variation.

This is a whole other can of worms. I have a full thread ready to be posted about this topic, but am still working on it.

Something being a method or not appears to be decided by general consensus. You can call that a method if you like, but no one else will do so.