Proposed change: A6e) The competitor must not touch or move the puzzle until the...

[PandaCuber]

LOL i cant stop laughing at the responses on this thread.

[drewsopchak]

LOL i cant stop laughing at the responses on this thread.

Agreed.

[TimMc]

To summarize: What do you intend to say?

The first two are valid concerns that a judge may have. A competitor can touch or knock a cube while or soon after stopping the timer as long as he removes his hands quickly enough, perhaps performing a flourish to add to the distraction, so that the judge is unable to clearly see that puzzle was not fully released or was touched after the solve.

The third one looked like A6g was being broken by the judge. It's just silly to risk screwing up a solve by touching a puzzle that appears to be misaligned by 45 degrees. But I digress...

Btw, how would you handle if a puzzle touches a competitors hand after stopping only because he has to leave it on the timer? Has the judge to evaluate this? Sounds very complicated for me.

It would be a violation of A6e regardless of how obviously solved the puzzle is because the competitor didn't give the judge time to confirm that they'd finished inspecting the puzzle. One tip would be to get the competitor to fully release the puzzle properly... and not touch it again.

Tim.

[Sebastien]

The first two are valid concerns that a judge may have. A competitor can touch or knock a cube while or soon after stopping the timer as long as he removes his hands quickly enough, perhaps performing a flourish to add to the distraction, so that the judge is unable to clearly see that puzzle was not fully released or was touched after the solve.

How is this related with the time achieved? Still to me it is clear that nothing of this has happened on this solves.

It would be a violation of A6e regardless of how obviously solved the puzzle is because the competitor didn't give the judge time to confirm that they'd finished inspecting the puzzle. One tip would be to get the competitor to fully release the puzzle properly... and not touch it again.

I don't think you got what I meant. After releasing a puzzle it will still move to a certain direction. What if it comes to hit the competitor's hand after stopping, ONLY because he has to keep his hands on the timer?

[Ton]

It's difficult to confirm A6c and A6d when a competitor slams his hands on a timer and retracts them immediately:
I'd like to propose a change to make it easier to enforce A6c and A6d and to reduce confusion around A6e:
Further clarification about whether A7a, A7d and A7e are sufficient for a judge to indicate to the competitor that he has finished inspecting the puzzle may be required.
Thoughts?

Why , what is the problem with current rules?
Even is the competitor ends with his hands on the timer it does not mean the competitor stopped with flats and palms downs

So in your case if a competitor from excitement cheers or slip one hand of the timer you disqualify a solve? Why?

A6c) was introduced when we noticed that some people stopped with the puzzle between theirs hands (Dan Knights 2003) kind of the "karate stop" with both hands vertical

A6d) was to prevent someone could do a turn while stopping

So what issue do you want to resolve?

[TimMc]

So what issue do you want to resolve?

I'd like to reduce the occurrence of A6d being broken and overlooked by judges because of the way some competitors stop the timer (i.e. slamming their hands down on the timer and then retracting them within a second).

A6e might not be the most appropriate regulation to modify. Strict enforcement of A6d would make my suggestion redundant.

Perhaps judges could just opt to apply a +2 second penalty when there's doubt around A6d. It would then be in the interest of the competitor to keep his hands still after stopping the timer so that he has something to support his side of the dispute.

Tim.