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    Quote Originally Posted by 5BLD View Post
    Is this as bad as learning to turn accurately?
    I see no evidence that using a bad cube makes you accurate. I just see that using a good cube gets you used to using a good cube.

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    I don't think we should just dismiss peoples' personal experiences... If many share the same then it could be considered rather convincing evidence. Either way I don't see how he can be 'wrong' if it's his personal experience. Sure, I can agree with you it's not good evidence for his point, but it is not worthless- if for example many share the same.
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    I see no evidence that turning accurately makes you a faster cuber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by applemobile View Post
    I see no evidence that turning accurately makes you a faster cuber.
    Allows you to turn faster without pops/lockups.
    (a^b)^c = a^(b c) e^(2 i pi c floor(1/2-(Im(b log(a)))/(2 pi)))
    I've been cubing for only just over 2 years and I feel old already

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    Agh I lost a big post when my iPod crashed rest assured I have lots I want to say on this topic... Or I could save some time and mention that there was a large thread a wee while ago where this point was hammered out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirjava View Post
    I see no evidence that using a bad cube makes you accurate. I just see that using a good cube gets you used to using a good cube.
    I have to agree with this one. I can only speak from my experience but I started off with a Rubik's brand and used that for a while. The hard part about solving a rubik's is that you have to apply way more force to do a turn than a DIY at the time. Eventually I got my DIY and every solve it popped because I was used to the rubik's brand. I think this is the unlearning phase because at that time my focus turned to solving accurately so that it wouldn't pop. For a DIY that meant turning with less force than I was used to. When I went from my type c to my guhong there was a similar story but it wasn't as bad as the transition from rubik's to DIY. However, when I got my zhanchi I had already learned to be as precise as possible on a cube of any tension.

    Had I started with a zhanchi or type c for that matter, I would have just learned how to control that type of cube and my progress would have probably been quicker in the long run because everytime I upgraded my cube and adapted to the style that it required I instantly beat all my pbs and realized that the cube was holding me back a little. But again that's just my experience. I didn't see starting out with a bad cube helping me with anything. All it did was give me the bad habits of using wrist movements even when I upgraded to better cubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godmil View Post
    I could save some time and mention that there was a large thread a wee while ago where this point was hammered out.
    Does this help:
    Quote Originally Posted by Godmil View Post
    it's getting more and more frustrating that people recommend using a rubbish cube, or even worse BUYING a rubbish cube.
    Here are some reasons for getting a good cube:
    1. A cube that is easier to turn will facilitate fingertricks. This helps steer the cuber away from developing bad turning habits (wristing and such like).
    2. A poor cube, that frequently locks up, can be frustrating to use, so solving will be less fun.. and if it's not fun, then you're more likely to give up.
    3. The easier a cube is to turn the less likely you are to develop any medical conditions from it (RSI, Carpel Tunnel, etc.). Just to hammer this point home: THERE ARE MEDICAL REASONS FOR NOT USING A POOR CUBE! (this is coming from someone who took a 7 Year break from cubing due to damage partially caused by a cheap cube).
    4. If you're going to move to a good cube eventually, why wait. Good cubes are barely any different in price from rubbish cubes, also the sooner you start using a good cube, the sooner you'll be comfortable using it (any comments about them being 'too fast' are rubbish).

    Just because you 'can' be fast with a rubbish cube, doesn't mean you 'should' use one.
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