Teaching Roux to Beginners

[PandaCuber]

I have looked up threads like this, all talking about Keyhole and Sexy method for beginners.

But I haven't seen anyone teach Roux to someone that doesn't know how to solve the rubik cube.

My question is, Should I teach them Roux? Yes or No.

My reasons for this:
I don't like how LBL is purely algs. I don't want someone to learn algs instead of learning the cube.
I also was playing with Petrus and saw how "Bad Edges" and solving only using <R,U> might complicate things and make the learning process longer.
Sexy method is actually really confusing and i cant teach something that confuses me...
Same goes with Edges First. Quiet confusing.

The only problem i see with Roux is EO. I can see them having a problem with that.

Tell me what yall think.

[Athefre]

EO isn't a big problem. Teach them the simple concept of looking for the center colors on U and D. Then you can teach them to place an oriented edge at DB, then repeat placing a misoriented edge at UB and doing M'UM until three are misoriented on U.

[tasguitar7]

Well, I love Roux, and I have considered teaching it to beginners but usually default to the simplest possible variation of Sexy Method.

There are three issues that would have to be addressed or adjusted when teaching beginners Roux.
1. CMLL - I'm actually not sure how you would teach a beginner the CMLL step as they will be unwilling to learn algs. This is by far the biggest problem.
2. Block Building/Intuition - Obviously some of the benefits or Roux are increased intuition and efficiency. Beginners can usually stumble into getting f2b with oversight, but it will not be efficient and the intuition will take probably more practice than they are willing to put in at first to develop.
3. EO - to beginners at least this will feel like learning algs, they are very short, but there is case memorization. It is easy to think about it intuitively if you have experience with a cube, however, as a beginner it would probably be very hard to visualize

[PandaCuber]

I figured with cmll, just sune and j perm. both easy things to remember.

Yeah block building might be a problem. But if figure if i tell them thats the only method i know, theyll figure it out xD

[emolover]

For the past six months, the only method I have taught to people is Roux. When they do not grasp F2B well, I just give them algorithms for the time being. Surprisingly people grasp L6E really easy when I teach it to them. But I make up a diagram that uses M U' M and M' U' M' only that goes from the worst cases all the way to the basic cases.

[tasguitar7]

Yeah sune probably isn't too much even for a noncommittal beginner however j perm is quite a bit more of a commitment to someone just starting. Maybe sune and niklas? permute with niklas then orient with semi-random sunes?

[Rpotts]

Blocks are really hard for them in my experience.

[tasguitar7]

Blocks are really hard for them in my experience.

I think it depends on the person, it is difficult for everyone the first time the pick up a cube but one of my teachers picked up decent block building (Petrus) within 5 minutes. I think the perceived difficultly is highly variant, I have no theory as to why that is though.

[PandaCuber]

i realized the real problem was going to be F2B. he could do the first block, but the second was a real problem. also M slices was a problem.

[waffle=ijm]

I've actually taught several people roux as a "beginner" method. I actually found that most of them just don't want to learn CMLL. everything else they don't have a problem with...surprisingly.