# Thread: How long until PLL will pay off?

1. ## How long until PLL will pay off?

Learned full PLL a week ago, but the times I'm getting now are seriously pissing me off to NO END.

Times I get with 2-look PLL:

28.78, 25.36, 21.66, 23.73, 23.12, 25.28, 28.46, 24.61, 24.59, 22.45, 25.07, 27.26, 27.09, 26.45, 24.52, 24.66, 24.46, 25.11, 26.64, 28.18, 21.30, 28.71, 23.36, 22.56, 24.72, 21.39, 25.20, 23.54, 23.81, 30.40, 26.91, 23.27, 21.63, 24.13, 23.79, 20.75, 25.57, 20.02, 28.40, 22.78, 25.23, 17.66, 19.46, 24.18, 22.62, 22.47, 19.33, 20.69, 24.61, 21.23, 22.46, 28.21, 25.01, 24.45, 27.90, 22.31, 23.94, 25.69, 24.18, 21.14, 22.43, 23.28, 20.72, 22.88, 27.52, 24.22, 24.70, 20.39, 21.08, 24.21, 24.42, 20.00, 19.76, 22.53, 22.53, 22.43, 20.38, 24.16, 20.67, 24.27, 23.94, 19.82, 22.82, 23.42, 22.70, 23.65, 24.02, 23.06, 22.74, 23.89, 27.93, 22.43, 19.36, 25.97, 22.94, 23.73, 19.41, 27.02, 23.91, 20.23

Times I get with 1-look PLL:

25.92, 21.14, 35.85, 22.42, 24.66, 24.64, 26.51, 26.80, 25.47, 24.93, 24.91, 27.67, 30.18, 32.89, 23.74, 23.90, 22.53, 23.95, 31.03, 27.95, 31.74, 24.94, 22.78, 39.15, 35.33, 25.55, 21.74, 35.28, 29.36, 25.36, 34.19, 26.22, 24.77, 36.31, 22.82, 25.55, 42.09, 23.60, 26.86, 27.49, 36.57, 40.83

Check the 40+'s causes by R(b) and G-perms.

How long does it take on average until it starts to pay off? I hope not too long, cause the temptation to just switch back to 2LPLL is growing with the minute.

2. There's no set time for the "pay off". It depends on how much you practice. Your times will stabilize when you get used to the PLLs you just learned. Almost everybody is the same. Newer algorithms take time to incorporate into your regular solving. Full PLL is worth it in the long run.

Just be careful with how many you learn a day. You can overwhelm yourself if you do too much. When I learned PLL for the first time, I learned 1 every day/two days.

3. It should pay off in a week or two. Just get comfortable with the algs. Make sure you're recognizing cases using blocks of pieces. Watch badmephisto's PLL recognition tutorial. If you don't know what I mean.

4. When you get faster with it. What other answer is there? 1-look PLL is simply better, you just need to keep at it. What is causing the problem the most, recognition or turn speed?

5. Definitely don't switch back to 2LPLL. How long did it take you to learn full PLL? It personally took me a very long time because I would only learn a new algorithm after I fully learned the old one, which means when it comes up, it's just second nature solving it. So, about a week between algorithms. You might have learned them too fast. Are you pausing between OLL and PLL, and having trouble recognizing cases? Also, you're probably not used to preforming the algs very fast, since you only finished learning them a week ago. Just practice more. Be confident with each one. What I like to do is just repeat the same alg over and over again without looking in a continuous cycle with the cube, to make sure my fingers memorize it.

6. Thanks for the replies!

Originally Posted by a small kitten
There's no set time for the "pay off". It depends on how much you practice. Your times will stabilize when you get used to the PLLs you just learned. Almost everybody is the same. Newer algorithms take time to incorporate into your regular solving. Full PLL is worth it in the long run.

Just be careful with how many you learn a day. You can overwhelm yourself if you do too much. When I learned PLL for the first time, I learned 1 every day/two days.
Learned 1 a day for the most part, with the exception of the G-perms which I all learned in 1 day.

Originally Posted by Noahaha
It should pay off in a week or two. Just get comfortable with the algs. Make sure you're recognizing cases using blocks of pieces. Watch badmephisto's PLL recognition tutorial. If you don't know what I mean.
That may be a great idea. I kind of made my own recognition system so I may want to take a look at it.

Originally Posted by Dominate
When you get faster with it. What other answer is there? 1-look PLL is simply better, you just need to keep at it. What is causing the problem the most, recognition or turn speed?
Knowing which algorithm to perform is the main problem.

Originally Posted by TheMachanga
Definitely don't switch back to 2LPLL. How long did it take you to learn full PLL? It personally took me a very long time because I would only learn a new algorithm after I fully learned the old one, which means when it comes up, it's just second nature solving it. So, about a week between algorithms. You might have learned them too fast. Are you pausing between OLL and PLL, and having trouble recognizing cases? Also, you're probably not used to preforming the algs very fast, since you only finished learning them a week ago. Just practice more. Be confident with each one. What I like to do is just repeat the same alg over and over again without looking in a continuous cycle with the cube, to make sure my fingers memorize it.
It took me 11 days. I only had 14 to learn (already knew 7). I'm pausing between OLL and PLL indeed.

7. Just practice, do solves, learn how to do those PLL's fast, and it will pay off. You just can't get good times with 2-look PLL.

8. Originally Posted by NaeosPsy
Just practice, do solves, learn how to do those PLL's fast, and it will pay off.
Yep Practice pays off
Originally Posted by NaeosPsy
You just can't get good times with 2-look PLL.
actually you can! sub10 with 4LLL was done by Faz once.

9. Originally Posted by MostEd

actually you can! sub10 with 4LLL was done by Faz once.
I'm pretty sure that was 3 LLL

10. Originally Posted by NaeosPsy
I'm pretty sure that was 3 LLL
So? The extra time of doing an additional PLL alg wouldn't make it impossible for him to do sub10.

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