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Practicing Old Pochmann/M2

foolish

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So, I've been checking out tutorials and started practicing Old Pochmann/M2 within the last days and still got some questions.

1) Most tutorials give lots of tips and ideas on practicing the memorization, but apart from the algorithms I haven't read much about the execution. So I wondered, should I directly start memorizing the cube and try to solve (parts of) it blind or would it help to train the method with eyes open first until it can be done pretty fast without too much thinking?

2) I've learnt most of the stuff from Eric Limeback's tutorial on youtube so far and he solves the corners first, then the edges. When checking Stefan's site, I saw that he solves edges first. Is there any advantage in doing either of them first, or just personal preference?

3) I also find it not too easy to do/undo some setup moves intuitively, although they're pretty short. Is learning them by heart for each case an option or should I just keep practicing until I can make them up on the run?

Thanks
 

thatkid

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So, I've been checking out tutorials and started practicing Old Pochmann/M2 within the last days and still got some questions.

1) Most tutorials give lots of tips and ideas on practicing the memorization, but apart from the algorithms I haven't read much about the execution. So I wondered, should I directly start memorizing the cube and try to solve (parts of) it blind or would it help to train the method with eyes open first until it can be done pretty fast without too much thinking?

2) I've learnt most of the stuff from Eric Limeback's tutorial on youtube so far and he solves the corners first, then the edges. When checking Stefan's site, I saw that he solves edges first. Is there any advantage in doing either of them first, or just personal preference?

3) I also find it not too easy to do/undo some setup moves intuitively, although they're pretty short. Is learning them by heart for each case an option or should I just keep practicing until I can make them up on the run?

Thanks

1) I personally find it easier to practise parts of it blind rather than doing sighted (eyes open) solving.
2) Eric Limeback solves corners first because of his memo system. It involves tapping and memorising colours. This can not be stored for a very long time so when he does corners first, he still remembers the edges because he has a stronger memo system for them
3) Keep practising. This is the only step that i recommend learning sighted. Just remember to keep set up moves 3 moves long for edges and 1-2 moves long for corners
 

AbstractAlg

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1) Practice both ways, sighted for speed, full bld mostly for memo.

2) Tapping+sound gives you fast memo, but short-term. So I would recommend memo edges, memo corners, solve corners, solve edges. Also, I think it's easier to fix parity with corners first.

3) Keep practicing x2, understand why certain setups are the way they are and they will become very natural.
 

Rpotts

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You don't need R perm to solve parity regardless of whether you solve corners first or edges first. I've never done an R perm in BLD and have only used M2/OP with corners first.
 

Cubenovice

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If it works for you it is not useless :)

Please tell us how exacly you use the R-perm with M2
-order of solving?
- set up for R-perm
etc

just trying to understand
 

foolish

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Eric Limeback teaches: solve corners, R-Perm if odd number of corners, solve edges with M2. Anyway what would you recommend for solving parity with M2, or just memorize the switched edges?
 

JasonK

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Dunno if he does the same as me, but I did:

Solve corners
R-Perm
Solve edges
U' F2 U M2 U' F2 U
R-Perm

foolish said:
Anyway what would you recommend for solving parity with M2, or just memorize the switched edges?

What I do now:

Solve corners except for the last target
Solve edges
U' F2 U M2 U' F2 U
Solve last corner
 

Cubenovice

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Eric Limeback teaches: solve corners, R-Perm if odd number of corners, solve edges with M2. Anyway what would you recommend for solving parity with M2, or just memorize the switched edges?

Two options copied from Zane_C's awesome M2 + progression thread:

-If you solve corners first:
Leave UBL and UBR swapped. Then once you've finished the edges, apply: M2 y L2 (T-perm) L2

-If you solve edges first:
Once you've solved all the edges, apply: D' L2 D M2 D' L2 D.
Then solve an odd number of corners with Classic Pochmann.
 
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