1. ## Practicing Old Pochmann/M2

So, I've been checking out tutorials and started practicing Old Pochmann/M2 within the last days and still got some questions.

1) Most tutorials give lots of tips and ideas on practicing the memorization, but apart from the algorithms I haven't read much about the execution. So I wondered, should I directly start memorizing the cube and try to solve (parts of) it blind or would it help to train the method with eyes open first until it can be done pretty fast without too much thinking?

2) I've learnt most of the stuff from Eric Limeback's tutorial on youtube so far and he solves the corners first, then the edges. When checking Stefan's site, I saw that he solves edges first. Is there any advantage in doing either of them first, or just personal preference?

3) I also find it not too easy to do/undo some setup moves intuitively, although they're pretty short. Is learning them by heart for each case an option or should I just keep practicing until I can make them up on the run?

Thanks

2. Originally Posted by foolish
So, I've been checking out tutorials and started practicing Old Pochmann/M2 within the last days and still got some questions.

1) Most tutorials give lots of tips and ideas on practicing the memorization, but apart from the algorithms I haven't read much about the execution. So I wondered, should I directly start memorizing the cube and try to solve (parts of) it blind or would it help to train the method with eyes open first until it can be done pretty fast without too much thinking?

2) I've learnt most of the stuff from Eric Limeback's tutorial on youtube so far and he solves the corners first, then the edges. When checking Stefan's site, I saw that he solves edges first. Is there any advantage in doing either of them first, or just personal preference?

3) I also find it not too easy to do/undo some setup moves intuitively, although they're pretty short. Is learning them by heart for each case an option or should I just keep practicing until I can make them up on the run?

Thanks
1) I personally find it easier to practise parts of it blind rather than doing sighted (eyes open) solving.
2) Eric Limeback solves corners first because of his memo system. It involves tapping and memorising colours. This can not be stored for a very long time so when he does corners first, he still remembers the edges because he has a stronger memo system for them
3) Keep practising. This is the only step that i recommend learning sighted. Just remember to keep set up moves 3 moves long for edges and 1-2 moves long for corners

3. 1) Practice both ways, sighted for speed, full bld mostly for memo.

2) Tapping+sound gives you fast memo, but short-term. So I would recommend memo edges, memo corners, solve corners, solve edges. Also, I think it's easier to fix parity with corners first.

3) Keep practicing x2, understand why certain setups are the way they are and they will become very natural.

4. I had the same doubts as 'foolish' and I got the answers from 'thatkid'

5. Originally Posted by AbstractAlg
Also, I think it's easier to fix parity with corners first.
Lol its actually easier if you do edges first because you don't need the R perm after edges
just do U' F2 U M2 U' F2 U
then solve corners

6. You don't need R perm to solve parity regardless of whether you solve corners first or edges first. I've never done an R perm in BLD and have only used M2/OP with corners first.

7. Originally Posted by Rpotts
You don't need R perm to solve parity regardless of whether you solve corners first or edges first. I've never done an R perm in BLD and have only used M2/OP with corners first.
Oh really? I've always done parity with an R perm

8. Originally Posted by thatkid
Oh really? I've always done parity with an R perm
Ehm... isn't R-perm for parity in full Old Pochmann?
This is about M2 edges and there you do not need R-perm

9. hmmm
that means ive been doing a useless R perm for about a year

10. Originally Posted by thatkid
hmmm
that means ive been doing a useless R perm for about a year
You're not alone - I did the same thing for a long time, and I still sometimes fall back into old habits without realising.

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