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Thread: VHLS vs. normal LS

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    Default VHLS vs. normal LS

    I recently learned of vhf2l, and wonder if it is worth learning, and if it will improve my time. Please post your comments on either kinds of f2l. Also answer to the poll.
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    From what I understand, VHF2L is kinda like a stepping stone to ZBLS (formely ZBF2L), but by itself isn't really worth it. Standard F2L is fast, and OLL/PLL is fast. VHF2L just complicates things with no significant benefit IMHO.
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    VHLS (it's not called VHF2L anymore) is not that great in 3x3x3 speed. LS+OLL is generally faster than VHLS+OCLL, you're not really avoiding bad cases by doing edge control during the last slot, and if you get one of the worst VHLS cases then you're probabaly just wasting time. VHF2L is great for big cubes though, especially if do full VH solves (VHLS and COLL). I voted yes in the poll because it's worth learning, but I recommend only using the easy (3-5 move) cases in 3x3 speedsolves.

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    Just orient edges while you're doing F2L. I can do it quite easily, while only adding maybe 2-3 moves on average.
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    Isn't VHLS intuitive enough to not have to learn?

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    Default VHLS+ OLL over Full OLL?

    Hi,
    I have been trying to get over the daunting task of Full OLL. So I looked at some other methods and saw VHLS. I noticed that there are only 32 VHLS algs plus the 7 edges oriented OLLs. That makes 39 VHLS+Edges oriented algs compared to the 57 OLLs. So why learn Full OLL?

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    I don't believe the VHLS cases cover all the cases/possibilities you can run in to, instead, the cover certain cases that are easy/show up often. VHLS is a tool to use in certain cases, kind of like knowing the easy ZBLL cases but not all of them. They definitely help, but are something to focus on later.
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    Often times doing VHLS+PLL can be slower than just doing the 3 move insert then doing OLL. This is why other OLS methods have been made like RLS and VLS, these methods have about 200 algs each. But if you are just trying to get by with knowing the least amount of algs while maximizing efficiency, OLL is a great way to go.
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    Cool. Might just stick with Full Oll then

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    if you did use cross + vhls + coll + epll,
    would it be called vh?
    or would you call it cvce?
    or would you call it cfvce?
    also, if someone used cross + vhls + oll + pll, would it be called cvop? CVOP SOUNDS AWESOME!
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