Updated the wiki page with the current discussions, is there any way we could implement a progress chart or similar so people can see how the discussions of proposals are going, or is nothing happening until the WRC is fully set up?
Updated the wiki page with the current discussions, is there any way we could implement a progress chart or similar so people can see how the discussions of proposals are going, or is nothing happening until the WRC is fully set up?
I commented this with Tyson, and I think it is important that I comment this here. I don't know if there should be a penalty, or not. But this has to be clarified in the regulations.
Maybe it has already happened in competition. In the ones I've delegated not, but it's not like imposible that it happens.
What should be done if a non-visible inner piece of a cube pops out? Like in a 4x4 x-cube, or ss, or even on a 6x6. If they don't put it back, it should be DNF? Or doesn't have a penalization. Or, what happens if the piece pops out when you do your last move, and you stop the timer with the cube like that.
What do you guys think?
@uriel rubik
There's a regulation that says you do not need to repair popping "non-functional" pieces. So if a 3x3 center cap falls off, you can leave it and you won't get a penalty. Inner pieces don't affect the solved state of the puzzle, so no penalty.
EDIT:
5b5) If, after the solve, non functional parts of the puzzle are still defect (like a centre cap of a cube) or not fully rotated (like a 5x5x5 centre piece twisted in its spot), but the puzzle is otherwise unambiguously solved, the puzzle is considered solved. (discretion of the main judge)
Last edited by Goosly; 12-28-2011 at 09:28 AM.
Ohh, so it is covered there? Then, it would be the same for an inner pop of a 2x2?
Thanks
I'm not so sure that it's not a penalty. Non-visible doesn't necessarily mean non-funtional. If an inner piece of the cube pops, the internal structure of the cube, which in my opinion is definitely functional, is compromised and I assume therefore that it should be repaired before stopping the timer to avoid DNF.
Even though it sucks, I've counted them as DNF. If it's popped out, it's a DNF, even if the sides of the puzzle are all solid.
@Ranzha I actually already brought this up on the WCA forum in response to a post made by Shelley, and I also mentioned it at the delegates meeting at WCs. I would DNF it as it seem to be a functional piece. Personally I am of the opinion that we should not distinguish between functional and non-functional pieces to remove ambiguity and rogue cases, and treat all as DNF. It is the competitors fault if their caps always fall off - use paper or glue them in.;
Yeah, I agree. All the pieces comprise the puzzle. In order for the puzzle to work properly and correctly and be suitable for competition solving, all the pieces must be present. For instance, if one tried giving a 3x3 missing a centre cap to be scrambled, it wouldn't be accepted. If caps fall off, it's the competitor's fault because they're handling the cube and it's their responsibility.Originally Posted by Dene
This point really ought to be clarified in the regs.
There's a flaw in regulation that has to be verified.
A4b) The competitor must place his hands flat on the elevated sensor area of the Stackmat, with his fingers touching the sensors and with palms down. Penalty: 2 seconds.
There are people who's hands aren't like... right, like Emerson.
So maybe change it to:
A4b: The competitor must place his fingers on the elevated sensor area of the Stack mat, palms down, unless you have a disability prohibiting you to do so. Penalty: 2 seconds.
There are no special privileges in cubing.
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