[Help Thread] 4x4 Discussion and Help

PJKCuber said:

Use TheSergsB tutorial. He teaches a basic Reduction method that is easy to grasp.

Click to expand...

In the future, use edit post instead of posting multiple times!

Is there any point learning and using K4 as a speedsolving method? Reduction is boring, Yau centers are too hard and I don't like Hoya?
How can I improve my Yau centers and get sub 2 on 4x4? Practice isn't helping.

PJKCuber said:

Is there any point learning and using K4 as a speedsolving method? Reduction is boring, Yau centers are too hard and I don't like Hoya?
How can I improve my Yau centers and get sub 2 on 4x4? Practice isn't helping.

Click to expand...

Practice. It's rarely not the answer to how to get faster.

Practice will help, you just have to give it some time. It took me something like 300+ solves to become sub-2. Keep working on it.

PJKCuber said:

Is there any point learning and using K4 as a speedsolving method? Reduction is boring, Yau centers are too hard and I don't like Hoya?
How can I improve my Yau centers and get sub 2 on 4x4? Practice isn't helping.

Click to expand...

while k4 is worthwhile for a speedsolving method, having yau centers as too hard for you will not help you go far at k4...

oh, and if practice isn't helping, watch example solves (faz's?)
understand as much as you can, why did he do the stuffs he did on the solve, and... I guess ignore the rest that you don't understand
then do a decent sized session (I think 50 is a good number at your speed)
when you are done, rewatch the example solve, you should be able to understand more

and if you are bored with the routine, try practice 4x4 speedscrambling, it may not help much in your solves, but it should help reducing the time you take during large sessions

PJKCuber said:

Yau centers are too hard

Click to expand...

I know what you mean. I found this tutorial very helpfull, when I was at the same stage. Hope it will help:

h2f said:

I know what you mean. I found this tutorial very helpfull, when I was at the same stage. Hope it will help:

Click to expand...

Thanks! I hope I'll get sub 2 with this.

h2f said:

I know what you mean. I found this tutorial very helpfull, when I was at the same stage. Hope it will help:

Click to expand...

Thanks! I hope I'll get sub 2 with this.

Can someone give me an alg that will swap the position of the hidden center pieces? (the 'equivalent' of doing M E M' E' on a 3x3, but the position of other hidden pieces on a 4x4 does not matter, just the centers)

Ok Guys, I practice 4x4 a lot and I can now sub 2 the reduction part of Yau. I need to practice more so that I can sub 2 the whole solve.

I would like to use yau method. Which tutorial should i watch : cbc's or Jacob Hutnyk's?

Destro said:

I would like to use yau method. Which tutorial should i watch : cbc's or Jacob Hutnyk's?

Click to expand...

I used Jacob Hutnyk's and cyoubx's, and they were both extremely helpful. I haven't tried cbc's, so I won't comment on it.

or mine now I have to upload parts of the series like 3-2-3 and stuff but parity and yau are complete : Check my channel!

Destro said:

I would like to use yau method. Which tutorial should i watch : cbc's or Jacob Hutnyk's?

Click to expand...

OK, So my question is, how do you guys complete the last edge after making all the centres of yau? How I do it is that I make both the edge pieces come on U layer with one piece white facing towards up and other one with white facing towards side and do it.It is not very fast and sometimes I have to find for white pieces so is there any other way for it?

Also, I average 1:30 currently, how to get to around 1:00 ? Currently I am learning half centres!
Thanks for your help!

CriticalCubing said:

or mine now I have to upload parts of the series like 3-2-3 and stuff but parity and yau are complete : Check my channel!


OK, So my question is, how do you guys complete the last edge after making all the centres of yau? How I do it is that I make both the edge pieces come on U layer with one piece white facing towards up and other one with white facing towards side and do it.It is not very fast and sometimes I have to find for white pieces so is there any other way for it?

Also, I average 1:30 currently, how to get to around 1:00 ? Currently I am learning half centres!
Thanks for your help!

Click to expand...

For your last cross edge, it really depends on where it is, but Jacob Hutnyk (Yoshinator) has a good video on it. The key, in my mind, is to be flexible.

I have a question that I would like to ask:

How long/how much practice does it take to get better at yau? I am horribly inconsistent at yau, one solve I'll be in the 1:30s, and the other I'll be in the 1:50s. I currently use (although I'm trying to switch) a yau-redux hybrid, where I solve centers and cross edges exactly as I would with basic edge-by-edge redux, then I use Yau the rest of the way. I average sub 1:30 with it, about 1:25.

I need help with 4x4, I'm going to a competition soon and want to be under the soft cutoff of 1:15 in three weeks. I average around 2:20 right now, sometimes just barely getting 3 minute solves. The hard cutoff is 2:30 so I want to get no solves over that. My fastest single time is only 1:27, I don't know if I can get under 1:15, but i want to try to.

RjFx2 said:

I need help with 4x4, I'm going to a competition soon and want to be under the soft cutoff of 1:15 in three weeks. I average around 2:20 right now, sometimes just barely getting 3 minute solves. The hard cutoff is 2:30 so I want to get no solves over that. My fastest single time is only 1:27, I don't know if I can get under 1:15, but i want to try to.

Click to expand...

That is a hard goal, but it may be possible. You would want to try Hoya/Yau if you don't already use one of those methods. Other than that, getting familiar with your method and doing tons of solves will help you drop time quickly. If I were you, I would just practice 4x4 whenever you can and don't worry as much about the other cubes.

Good luck!

okso I did an ao5 where I time my splits

the splits used: Cross + centers, edge pairing, 3x3

time P.1 P.2 P.3
1 47.05 22.64 9.05 15.36
2 39.40 19.08 7.27 13.05
3 44.36 21.55 9.47 13.35
4 41.14 17.93 6.32 16.90
5 52.69 22.26 10.59 19.84
solve: 5/5

My cross+centers seem pretty bad, what's the best way to go about improving them?

Be more efficient. It's worth doing some slow solves and being efficient. You can (hopefully) learn a lot

Robert-Y said:

Be more efficient. It's worth doing some slow solves and being efficient. You can (hopefully) learn a lot

Click to expand...

Thanks Rob! I'll try that today

Username said:

Thanks Rob! I'll try that today

Click to expand...

also try video taping yourself then see what u did wrong I do that. it really helps

I'd like to regularly sub-2 on 4x4. My times are about 2-2:30 min. I use Redux, and I practice a lot. I'm not really getting faster.