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    Quote Originally Posted by jonlin View Post
    I might sound noobish... but what's a skeleton? I looked around the forums and I still have no clue.
    It's essentially a basis for getting most of the pieces solved in as few moves as possible. Then, you find ways to solve the last few pieces while retaining the skeleton.


    ...I think.
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    i didn't want to ask this in the q&a thread because i thought id get a better answer here:

    what does "NISS" stand for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mDiPalma View Post
    i didn't want to ask this in the q&a thread because i thought id get a better answer here:

    what does "NISS" stand for?
    "Normal Inverse Scramble Switch".
    http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/sh...l=1#post428682
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    I just got this in the German forum competition. Possibly the best (and luckiest) edge insertion ever!

    Scramble: U L2 D B2 R' D' F2 B U F2 D L2 U' L2 B2 D' B2 R2 D'

    2x2x2: F2 R' . U' D B' D B
    2x2x3: F2 R' D R
    Pseudo F2L-1: R L' F L F' R'
    U-Perm: D B D' B' L' D L'

    . = L2 U' D F2 U D'

    Zusammen: F2 R' L2 U' D F2 B' D B F2 R' D R2 L' F L F' R' D B D' B' L' D L'

    25 moves

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    1. U F2 L2 D F2 L2 U L2 D2 U' R' F D' U' R B2 U' L' F R2 U2

    x2 F2 U F2 U' D L D2 // 2x2x2 [7]
    F U2 L F2 L F L' F' y2 // 2x2x3 [8/15]
    R U' R' U' R2 U2 R2 U F R2 F' // EOF2L [11/26]
    y' r' U' R U L U' R' U F' // ZBLL [9/35]

    2. D' L2 B2 D' L2 U R2 D2 L2 F2 R' B U F' L2 U' B2 U R' U2

    y F2 R' F' R2 B L' // Rouxblock [6]
    U D F U2 x2 // 2x2x3 [4/10]
    y' R' F R F' R U2 R' U' R // EOF2L [9/19]
    y R U2 R' U2 L' U R U' R' L // COLL [10/29]
    U // EPLL [1/30]

    Is there any way I could've made these better? They were both ridiculously lucky.
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    Saarland Open 2012 scramble: D2 L2 B R2 U2 F' L2 U2 B2 L2 F' D L2 B U L' U2 L' F' R'

    Extremely good scramble. Quite many nice starts were found both on normal and inverse.
    Actually Tim found 24 moves (18 moves to leave 3 corners) and Sébastien found
    25 moves (17 moves to leave 4 corners). Congrats! Maybe their solutions will follow.

    Unfortunately I couldn't find any good solution in time. Some of my attempts:
    Spoiler:

    [1]
    2x2x2 block: B D' F' R' and F2 makes c/e pair.

    [2]
    1st square: R D2 F
    2nd square: B'

    [3]
    1st square: R' F'
    2nd square: B'
    c/e pair: U R U'
    2x2x3 block: F D' F' L2

    Then still there're many continuations. For example

    Finish F2L: L' U' L U' F' U' F', or
    Finish F2L: L' R U' L R' F' U F, or
    Finish F2L: L' R U' L U' R' F' U F, or
    Finish F2L: L' R U' L U B U B' R' and so on,

    but I did not investigate so much after that in reality.

    [4]
    In most of my time I investigated this one.

    Pre-scramble: R'

    2x2x1 block: B2 U' B'
    2x2x2 block: D'
    2x2x3 block: F'

    On inverse, I found F2L-1 + EO in two ways. So on normal,

    Pre-scramble: L2 U B L2 B' U' R' or
    Pre-scramble: L2 U F U2 F' U' R'

    and the start B2 U' B' D' F' makes it. I searched continuation several times
    after that, but I couldn't find any good finish in time.

    The clock was ticking, and I decided to write down a safe solution as follows.

    Pseudo 2x2x3 block: B2 U' B' D' F'
    Pseudo F2L minus 1 slot: L' F U' F' U2 L (***)
    All but 5 corners: R' U B' U B + U2

    17 moves, but no time to search good insertions, so just did:

    Insert at the beginning: L' F' L B2 L' F L B2
    Insert at +: B L' B R2 B' L B R2 B2 (A-perm)

    Solution: L' F' L B2 L' F L U' B' D' F' L' F U' F' U2 L R' U B' U B2 L' B R2 B' L B R2 B2 U2 (31 moves)

    When I wrote down the solution almost no time was left...
    According to Insertion Finder, the optimal insertions are:

    B2 U' B' D' F' L' [@1] F U' F' U2 L R' U B' U B U2
    Insert at @1: L' F2 L B L' F2 L B'
    After the 1st insertion: B2 U' B' D' F' L2 F2 L B L' F2 L F [@2] B' U' F' U2 L R' U B' U B U2
    Insert at @2: U' F' U B' U' F U B
    Fewest moves: 25. 8 moves cancelled


    After 1-hour, Arnaud showed interest in the start above,
    and found some nice finish as follows:

    Pre-scramble: U2 R'

    Start: B2 U' B' D' [U2] F' (U2 inserted)
    Finish F2L: L' U' L B' U B
    All but 3 corners: U B L B' L' U' L
    Correction: U2 R'

    21 moves to leave 3 corners.
    And another one he found:

    Pre-scramble: L' R'

    Start: B2 U' B' D' F'
    F2L minus 1 slot: L' F U' F' U2 L2 (exactly the same as my start (***))
    c/e pair + EO: U' L' U2 L
    All but 3 corners: F U2 F' U'
    Correction: L' R'

    also 21 moves to leave 3 corners. Well done Arnaud!
    (Both skeletons give 27-move solutions)

    And I'm disappointed at my result again, I'm now getting into a slump both online and official...
    Last edited by okayama; 07-07-2012 at 12:23 PM.
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    The scramble really was awesome. Adrian found a 15-moves F2L and I found an 18-moves F2L. We're both not really good at FMC though :P
    Adrian's solution:
    Scramble: D2 L2 B R2 U2 F' L2 U2 B2 L2 F' D L2 B U L' U2 L' F' R'
    z' F' D2 F2 L'
    U R U R2
    L' U2 L2 U' L' U R
    (he used edge control in his final solution anyways)
    My solution:
    R' B' U R D'
    U' F' L U L
    U F' U' F
    U2 F U F'
    (I also used different insertions in the end, anyways, just to show you how awesome this scramble was )
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    is this the scramble of the saarland open fmc?

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    Here's my NAR 24 from Saarland:

    Scramble: D2 L2 B R2 U2 F' L2 U2 B2 L2 F' D L2 B U L' U2 L' F' R'
    Spoiler:

    Solution: D' F D F' R2 F R2 F' R2 B' D' B' U2 B D' B' U2 B' D F2 L2 F U' R (24)
    Use the inverse scramble:
    2x2x2: R' U F' L2 (4|4)
    2x2x3: F2 D' B' * D2 B (5|9)
    F2L-1: R2 F R2 F' R2 (5|14)
    F2L and LL edges: F D' F' D (4|18)

    Insert B' U2 B D B' U2 B D' (6) at * for 2 moves cancellation = 24.


    I think we got WR podium: 24 + 25 + 29 (Jan Bentlage) = 78

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    My 25 move solution:

    I'm especially happy about it, because it did something within this attempt I had never done before, not even at home. And apparently this helped a lot!

    2x2x2 on Inverse: R' U F' L2
    Switch and 4 corners: U F' U' F2 D' F2 D . F2 B' D2 B D F'

    I wasn't satisfied with the amount of cancelling moves for the insertions I found in there and the Insertion Finder confirms me, that 28 moves is optimal for that skeleton. BUT:

    I quickly saw that . = D' F2 D B' D' F2 D B, which cycles my not solved pieces but in a not helping way cancels A LOT of moves, indeed it cancels 8 moves and so I decided to insert this and get a slightly different skeleton:

    4 corners: U F' U' F2 B' D' F2 . D F2 D2 B : D F' L2 F U' R

    . = F2 R' B' R F2 R' B R
    : = B' D F D' B D F' D'

    Solution: U F' U' F2 B' D' R' B' R F2 R' B R D F2 D' F D' B D F2 L2 F U' R

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