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[Help Thread] What sub sets should you learn at what time average?

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Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!
 
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Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!
I use the same Rperms, they're quite nice. For Nperms I think most people use the RUD alg, I myself prefer the RUF one.
 
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I now average 18 when I try but technically 20 since I'm switching to color neutral and I lose about 2 seconds with pink and orange cross. I'm more so asking about 2x2 this time, but I average low 6 high 5 so should I switch to cll or wait until sub 5?
And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.
 

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And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.

I'm gonna say V. Sure, Drew uses top first, but most other world class Pyraminxers use V-first. V-first is definitely easier (requires next to 0 algs), and personally I feel that it's just better overall. It's quite intuitive and easy to look ahead with.
 
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I now average 18 when I try but technically 20 since I'm switching to color neutral and I lose about 2 seconds with pink and orange cross. I'm more so asking about 2x2 this time, but I average low 6 high 5 so should I switch to cll or wait until sub 5?
And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.
Learn CLL, it will make you easily sub-4.5 and with practice you can get down to high 2s.

source: sub 3 2x2 solver
 
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I'm gonna say V. Sure, Drew uses top first, but most other world class Pyraminxers use V-first. V-first is definitely easier (requires next to 0 algs), and personally I feel that it's just better overall. It's quite intuitive and easy to look ahead with.
Really? I thought top-first was way more popular than V-first.
 

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Really? I thought top-first was way more popular than V-first.

It definitely used to be, but in the past years there's been a huge resurgence of fast V-first users. Of the people with official sub-3 averages, Rafał Waryszak, Maciej Czapiewski, Livia Kleiner, myself, Aniket Das, Henry Savich, Ryan Cho, Benjamin Kyle, and quite a few others (those are just some off the top of my head) all use L4E. In Nationals finals this year, I believe there were only two or three top first users. I feel that V-first is definitely getting more popular as time goes on; I haven't met any new Pyraminxers (who started in the past year or two) who use top first.
 
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Thanks all for the replies. In the process of learning CLL and practicing Pyra. Now I'm moving on to the bigger things.
For 4x4 I average around 1:20 and I want to know how I can get faster. I use 3-2-3 and Yau.
For megaminx, my first time solve was 5 minutes. I have trouble with last layer so I'm assuming thats what's slowing me down.
 

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Thanks all for the replies. In the process of learning CLL and practicing Pyra. Now I'm moving on to the bigger things.
For 4x4 I average around 1:20 and I want to know how I can get faster. I use 3-2-3 and Yau.
For megaminx, my first time solve was 5 minutes. I have trouble with last layer so I'm assuming thats what's slowing me down.
Megaminx Last layer doesn't really matter until you are averaging sub 2.
I know this guy who uses beginner ll on mega and still averages 1:15.
 

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Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!

You could try R U' R' U' R U R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' for Ra - I prefer it since there's less U2s
 
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